Does any online site let you 5 bet+ a player headsup?

[lefty rosen]

I posted a question about why sites don't let you 5 bet the other day, but I seem to recall that paradise poker let you 5 or six bet headsup a few years back, was this true and do they still let you if they did then?

[n1stunnor]

I haven't played at ACR in a few months but i think they let you go beyond 4 there.

[Theodore Donald Kiravatsos]

It is my understanding at ACR that the raises are unlimited in a heads-up situation, IF the round was heads-up to begin with.

Example: Three players see the flop. First bets, second folds, 3rd raises....maximum will be four bets on the FLOP. On the turn, the pot is heads-up to begin with and now the two players can get as many bets in as the maniac cares for, provided his opponent is holding the nuts. I personally have seen 6 bets put in on the turn before someone decided to stop bluffing.

"Your excuses are your own" -- Richard Roma

[Theodore Donald Kiravatsos]

Usually I'm only wrong about little things like other players' holdings, and if there is enough gas in my car to get there. But I'm pretty sure about this...could be wrong though too.

[GrannyMae]

I personally have seen 6 bets put in on the turn before someone decided to stop bluffing

hmmm, sounds like he should have gone 7.

there is a famous theory called "russ' rule of seven".

it is sooo quantum, that no one can explain it.


here ya go, have fun!!

at the bottom is a link i have included where some well lnown people discuss it. don't blame me if your head explodes

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The Rule[theory] of 7

I have written much more into the "Rule of 7". More than the additions I point
out.


A poker hand similar to the one I am writing about occurred in the Commerce
Casino at around the $300-$600 holdem game. Both players in the hand were
WCP. One was also a cheat and scammer. I was asked my opinion on the play of
this hand and whether I thought anything was wrong with how the hand was
played. The scammer was the better player of the two.

The game was 4 handed and A opened for $600. B had been 3 betting A every
time he came into the pot, so he made it $900. A who was aware of this fact
now made it $1200. A's hand contained QhJh. B's hand contained 5,5. Flop
came Kh,9h, 5h. A checked. B bet $300. It wasn't long before the betting
ended with 9 bets in on the flop. $2700 apiece. Now the "scammer" held the
pocket 5's and a set. He also put the last bet in at $2700. Why did he manage
to get the last bet in?

The next card was a 5 and quads were made by the scammer. Check, bet, call,
check, bet, call. A friend of the "honest player" witnessed the hand, and
asked me if the hand was played properly or if I would have played the hand
the same way. The "honest player" had thoughts he may have been the victim
of a "cold deck" by the way the play came down.

My reply was the hands were expertly played by both parties, being this was
a 4 handed game. I stated the least number of bets that player B could have
gone would have been 7, and that would have taken a far less powerful hand.
He went 9 and that was most likely because player A stopped at 8 bets. If I
was player B, I would also have done the same thing. If I was Player A.
I would of made it 10 bets.

ADDITION HERE: Expertly played, but one played the hand better than the
other.If I was Player A, I would of 10 bet the hand, since this is what the
Rule of 7 is for. By Player B 9 betting, he convinced Player A he had the nut
flush. If the board wouldn't of paired on the turn, Player A would of
checked,and player B would of followed suit on the the turn or the river,
saving 2 small bets or a large one. If Player A bet out on the turn, into a
board containing no pairs, he would of been in the same position he was
previously when he stopped the action. He would also of been the one who lost
value. This rule has many examples and it's main purpose is for diversion and
to create opportunities like these.I have given you examples, but there are so
many examples. The Rule of 7 can be anywhere. Most can't grasp the concept as
most are not legitimate World Class Players.This Rule of 7 just goes past the
original concept of the check, bet, check-raise,re-raise concept. This is
something everyone is used to doing. The other person knows to make it 3 bets
with position. This is done with mediocre hands. What is the next step when
this is the common way of attack. I am trying to explain how to capitalize on
this chain of betting events. I have given you examples where you have mediocre
hands, but never the nuts. Poker is about image, diversion and playing. One
played hand in a cash game means nothing in the long scheme of play. Proper
execution will show the results in the long run. Remember if the other player
doesn't know the Rule of 7, you own him anyway, as you will be capitalizing on
his attempts to slow the action down. You will control the betting and be the
one saving and earning extra bets.I gave several examples, but this rule
applies primarily to those playing higher stakes poker and short handed poker
far more than ring game poker. These situations arise in full ring games,
though not as often. Look at the concept as this; everyone knows to 3 bet to
slow the action down. What is the next step? How do you combat this? I don't
want to hear about betting out on the turn, as I can destroy this also. Have
the player who did make it 3 bets, having the real goods. This concept isn't
for a single hand, but rather a style of play many can't and will never be able
to grasp. By the way, the players making these plays in the above mentioned
hand were Richard Dunberg and Johnny Chan. Johnny Chan made it 9 bets with the
worst hand and a hand far, far from the nuts, as I would of done also.This is a
way of playing that takes you to the next step in poker playing. The one that
elevates your game from the mid pack to amongst the leaders. I may not of
expressed myself in presenting this concept, but I will present a far better
defense for it when it is attacked. Most people don't have the credibility nor
the knowledge to attack this post. Those attacking the Rule of 7 will only
fail. My writing of the concept may of been presented in a bad fashion, but the
concept is 100%. I can counter any scenario when presented. This concept
negates mistakes made early in the betting. It also capitalizes on those not
knowing how to fight the check, bet, check-raise, raise betting pattern.

I told you I was going to give you the "RULE of 7". It applied in this hand.
The "rule of 7" is used by only WCP's, as they are the only ones that
realize it's value. It goes like this. When playing for high limits and
playing shorthanded, getting a extra bet here and saving an extra bet there,
adds up for your edge. Here is the reasoning behind this rule.

In the original post, I made a positioning mistake. I even contradicted myself
on the BB and the SB. I will change the order as this was how it was meant when
I wrote the original. I didn't see anyone correcting it, when I stated the BB
checked first, something he can't do when in the pot with the SB.

Obviously when playing short handed or heads-up, the blinds are always upon
you. You are thus forced to play many hands and the way you play them is
quite decisive. Just to give you an example; heads-up you are the big blind
with Q,10. Suits can apply but they are not the real reason. The small blind
makes it 2 bets with a J,10. Flop comes 10 9 2 with two of a suit.

Believe it or not, proper play of this hand would go like this. SB checks
and the BB bets. SB raises, BB raises, SB raises, BB raises. The betting
should go until there are 7 bets in the pot, upon which the SB calls. Next
card, no matter what comes, both parties will check, unless the J10 hits his
J. River comes and both parties check again, unless one hits his kicker..
Both parties have utilized the "rule of 7" with mediocre hands. Neither knew
who had the best and both realized it was best to break even on the betting
in this hand, 3 bets on the flop, bet on the turn and the river. This adds up
to
the Rule of 7 and put 7 small bets into the pot for each player.

Now do the math. Say they were playing $100-$200. $700 was put into the hand
on the flop. Both parties were trying to save a bet, and neither knew if
their hand was the best. To minimize the amount put into the pot, the hand
must be played to the Rule of 7. 7 small bets on the flop. Remember if one
of the parties would have slowed down any time earlier in the hand, there
would have been a bet on 4th street of $200 and a bet on the river of $200.
If the SB would have stopped after 3 bets, he would have checked and lost a
bet, as the BB would most likely of checked also. If the SB would have bet
and not put in the seven bets on the flop, the BB would have made it $400 on
the turn and checked on the river, again ending up with $700 in the pot.
The rule of 7 allows you to maximize
your value in short play and minimize your loss. To a beginner it is
probably very hard to understand.

Whenever you see one of these games where they raise like "mad men"
on the flop, and then check, check, you will realize they are just playing
poker, and playing it well. To the untrained and uneducated eye, many things
may seem strange. However, do the math for the hand and you will see how
much goes into the pot. Obviously times occur when the hands are much larger
than this. One was the example I gave at the beginning. Both of those hands
were far more powerful, yet one did out play the other. The pair of 55 was
going to lose a large total on the hand. But, he minimized
his loss and maximized his win on the hand.

This is the "Rule of 7" and is used by only the best WCP'ers in the world.
Others have a hard time fathoming the concept. It is used with speed in
raising and the controlling of betting in short and heads-up play. To not
grasp the concept is to be unable to beat the individual who does.

It is a concept to attack and defend against the check, bet,
check-raise,re-raise concept. It is used to exploit this concept and to punish
those using the concept against them. It is the next step to hurdle to become a
real WCPlayer.

Russ G

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[LondonBroil]

I don't get it....

[Theodore Donald Kiravatsos]

Seven's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. Seven doors. Seven, man, that's the number. Seven chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

That should clear up any confusion. The above makes perfect sense to me, and accordingly I must be well on my way to becoming a WCP.

"Your excuses are your own" -- Richard Roma