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fuzzbox
10-23-2005, 03:46 PM
6-max 5/10
I've only recently sat down, but the two protagonists played a pot that I witnessed where villain called an all-in for 600 into a 1k pot with A4o on a AQ973 board, he check-called a push. I dont know how the pot got to 1k in the first place. The other protagonist was the one who made the big bluff in the above hand.

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Stacks effectively 1k.

Preflop
villain limps utg, folded to bluffer who makes it 45 to play, I smooth call, villain now raises to 140, bluffer folds, I call. (ok so far or does anybody fold ?)

Flop (330 or so)
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I check, villain pushes for 850 ... and hero ?
stealyourface
10-23-2005, 03:58 PM
tough spot, but i'm leaning towards fold. Villain limp reraises UTG which is most likely a large PP (although not always) and gets smooth called by you. It is pretty easy for him to put you on a big PP as well, and he pushes a garbage flop knowing you will most likely have to call.

I fold here, but i'm a pussy. hell flip a coin.
BobboFitos
10-23-2005, 05:39 PM
why are you looking to fold QQ in a shorthanded setting vs two (what seems to be) riled up / tilty / bad players for just 1 buyin? Sure, sometimes these types pick up AA or KK, but this seems like as good of a spot as ever to "gamble."

... So I call.
ahnuld
10-23-2005, 07:07 PM
I call and expect to see AK JJ-99 over 50% of the time, making this a call.
10-23-2005, 07:50 PM
In my opinion there is not enough money in the pot to warrent this call.
Big_Jim
10-23-2005, 08:08 PM
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In my opinion there is not enough money in the pot to warrent this call.

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This alone cannot be your reason to fold.
VanVeen
10-23-2005, 09:50 PM
Why is everyone on every fn forum intentionally obtuse when they have an opportunity to cut someone up?

"GIVEN THE HAND RANGE I ASSIGN VILLAIN, YOUR EQUITY IS TOO LOW TO JUSTIFY A CALL W/THESE POT ODDS"

You knew that is what he *could* have meant, so why post this!?

OP: CALL. Not close. I bet you can figure out why by reading above! (given player and game description, his preflop lrr range is fairly wide; he won't be holding AA/KK even half the time, and his flop action w/AA and KK will almost never be... blah blah)
Big_Jim
10-23-2005, 10:01 PM
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Why is everyone on every fn forum intentionally obtuse when they have an opportunity to cut someone up?

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I'll show you obtuse.
fuzzbox
10-24-2005, 02:56 AM
Hero called.
I thought that the true strength of my hand was well hidden, I thought that villain could have a whole lot more than AA/KK and I thought that villain expected me to fold, so calling would disappoint him.

He tabled AJo, and didnt suck out.
10-25-2005, 04:36 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Why is everyone on every fn forum intentionally obtuse when they have an opportunity to cut someone up?

"GIVEN THE HAND RANGE I ASSIGN VILLAIN, YOUR EQUITY IS TOO LOW TO JUSTIFY A CALL W/THESE POT ODDS"

You knew that is what he *could* have meant, so why post this!?

OP: CALL. Not close. I bet you can figure out why by reading above! (given player and game description, his preflop lrr range is fairly wide; he won't be holding AA/KK even half the time, and his flop action w/AA and KK will almost never be... blah blah)

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Would have been better if he had written "Do you see why?" after his response.