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splashpot

10-23-2005, 12:52 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

SB (t1150)
BB (t1785)
Hero (t1430)
UTG+1 (t840)
MP1 (t1345)
MP2 (t1915)
MP3 (t1435)
CO (t2385)
Button (t1215)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero calls t30, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t150, MP2 calls t150, 1 fold, CO calls t150, 3 folds, Hero calls t120.

Flop: (t645) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero bets t120, MP1 raises to t1195, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1960

Is calling preflop ok? After my post last night about QQ, I thought it was best to lead the flop (although I know my bet was pretty weak, I don't know if that was right since there are so many left to act.) And obviously I have to fold to his push.

10-23-2005, 01:04 PM

imo betting preflop makes it easier for you to see if he has >JJ (i assume thats what youre afraid of when folding).

you have about as big of a chance with 'hitting' the flop with JJ as you have with AK here, and you dont limp AK, do you?

rbear

10-23-2005, 01:11 PM

leading out 1/2 pot.... any reads on pusher? no reads fold... but a lot of players at this level will raise AK, AQ, etc.. and then massively overbet a missed flop

bigt439

10-23-2005, 03:34 PM

I actually really like the idea behind your flop bet, especially with this drawless board. I think it is a little too small, but given the situation, if you fire like t250 MP HAS to define his hand. He can't try and take you off it with the people behind him, so if he raises he'll almost always have you beat, and he probably can't call very often unless he has like AA or a set, but then you can shut down anyways (and he'll probably slow down with a 9 or something). Still, your bet is so small that overs may take one off. I think you have the right idea though.

With your stack I really don't like limping pf, but I understand why you did it. I still don't like it.

10-23-2005, 03:43 PM

Some donk did this to me in the PPM last night on an almost identical board. Turns out he had tens, which is basically the only thing you're ahead of.

I think this is a good fold.