10-23-2005, 12:18 PM
In the recently discussed QQ-hand of Entity against Jason_t, a part of this very interesting discussion was the metagame play. Unfortunately, the discussion later went off, so I post my questions in a new thread. This is the hand:
Folded to Jason who raises on the Button. SB folds and Entity 3-bets Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif . Jason calls.
The flop comes A /images/graemlins/club.gif 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif . Entity bets and Jason calls.
The turn is a T /images/graemlins/heart.gif . Entity checks, Jason bets, and Entity calls.
The river is the 4 /images/graemlins/club.gif . Entity checks, Jason bets, and Entity checkraises.
I don’t want to discuss the action here. Read the first pages of the thread itself. I just want to discuss the question, whether the check-raise on the river has any advantage in future hands. Because some people assumed, that this line will add +EV for future hands like AK or better.
Let’s assume, villain (Jason_t) has Ax and calls. He sees hero (Entity) do this move with QQ, smiles and wins.
Some time later, hero has AK or better, the board is the same, and the action also. What will villain, holding Ax, think?
a) Hero did this move before, but he saw, that I don’t fold. So, this time he must have a stronger hand. I can safely fold my Ax this time.
b) Hero did this move before without even having an Ace. So I can profitably call again.
What will hero do, if he has QQ again on exactly the same board again?
a) If I go the same line again, I will again be called and loose.
b) Villain will not think, that I didn’t learn from my mistake, so he will assume, that I now have a stronger hand and fold this time.
This thread is not to discuss only this special hand. I rather want to know, if you were not successful with some line and everybody has seen it on showdown,
a) whether you should change your play, if the same situation comes again?
b) Or, because people assume, that you changed your play and act accordingly, whether you should not change your play?
Do most people usually change their play, if they are not successful or not?
Folded to Jason who raises on the Button. SB folds and Entity 3-bets Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif . Jason calls.
The flop comes A /images/graemlins/club.gif 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif . Entity bets and Jason calls.
The turn is a T /images/graemlins/heart.gif . Entity checks, Jason bets, and Entity calls.
The river is the 4 /images/graemlins/club.gif . Entity checks, Jason bets, and Entity checkraises.
I don’t want to discuss the action here. Read the first pages of the thread itself. I just want to discuss the question, whether the check-raise on the river has any advantage in future hands. Because some people assumed, that this line will add +EV for future hands like AK or better.
Let’s assume, villain (Jason_t) has Ax and calls. He sees hero (Entity) do this move with QQ, smiles and wins.
Some time later, hero has AK or better, the board is the same, and the action also. What will villain, holding Ax, think?
a) Hero did this move before, but he saw, that I don’t fold. So, this time he must have a stronger hand. I can safely fold my Ax this time.
b) Hero did this move before without even having an Ace. So I can profitably call again.
What will hero do, if he has QQ again on exactly the same board again?
a) If I go the same line again, I will again be called and loose.
b) Villain will not think, that I didn’t learn from my mistake, so he will assume, that I now have a stronger hand and fold this time.
This thread is not to discuss only this special hand. I rather want to know, if you were not successful with some line and everybody has seen it on showdown,
a) whether you should change your play, if the same situation comes again?
b) Or, because people assume, that you changed your play and act accordingly, whether you should not change your play?
Do most people usually change their play, if they are not successful or not?