2 hands: UN-ABC play?? or good gambles?? [Archive]

IbrakeFORrivers

10-23-2005, 01:58 AM

These hands totally wrecked my session, which was going well especially on a fishy table... First hand is in red. Second in blue. I added commentary after each hand.
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Button ($2.75)
Hero ($9.95)
BB ($2.70)
UTG ($8.70)
MP ($2.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, Button calls $0.10, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.30) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.3, BB calls $0.30, Button folds.

Turn: ($0.90) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.3, BB calls $0.30.

River: ($1.50) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.

Final Pot: $2.50

Results in white below: 
BB has 7s 9d (three of a kind, sevens).
Hero has 9s 9c (two pair, nines and sevens).
Outcome: BB wins $2.50. 

**COMMENTARY
I think i overplayed this. Especially after that river bet. The read i had on him was not too LAGgy not to TAGgy. Switches it up sometimes bluffs every now and then, but in marginal situations might overbet.

SECOND HAND-------------

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CO ($0.70)
Button ($3.90)
SB ($10.50)
Hero ($8.45)
UTG ($7.30)
UTG+1 ($10.70)
MP1 ($6.40)
MP2 ($10.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.60) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.5, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($1.60) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.5, MP2 calls $0.50.

River: ($2.60) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.5, MP2 calls $0.50.

Final Pot: $3.60

Results in white below: 
Hero has 8d Ah (one pair, aces).
MP2 has Ad Qc (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins $3.60. 

**COMMENTARY
I think i overbet the river. THe flop and maybe the turn i bet correctly? He just came to the table, so i wasn't sure on the read on him....

Are these serious leaks? These are what I classify as "marginal situations" in which retroactively, I should play more ABC. This is a HUGE leak i think... DO you guys agree?
THANKS SO MUCH IN ADVACNE GUYS...
-de

IbrakeFORrivers

10-23-2005, 12:05 PM

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CaptainNoBeard

10-23-2005, 12:29 PM

don't think too results oriented, kiddo.

hand 1- bet more on the turn, fold to a raise. river check call is fine (it lets him bluff missed straight draws, and controls the pot size), especially when he's nice enough to lay you 4-1.

hand 2- meh. i c/c flop and re-evaluate turn.

swolfe

10-23-2005, 12:41 PM

hand 1:
- 5 handed i'm raising this preflop
- flop bet is fine
- bet more ont he turn and don't put any more money in if called

hand 2:
- in a family pot like this there is almost 0 chance that your A is good. flop bet is fine, but once you get a call on this dry board, i'm check/folding the rest of the way.

10-23-2005, 12:44 PM

Hand 1, I'm raising pre-flop 4BB. Raising in these situations will sometimes win the pot outright. Also if you are called, you have a better idea of your opponents hand and it's a lot easier to play post-flop.

Hand 2. I can't see a weak ace holding up against 4 limpers. A near pot-size flop bet was more than I would have bet. About 1/2 that amount would have got you the same information. But after that I'm check/folding to any serious bet.

Komodo

10-23-2005, 02:29 PM

First hand looks ok. He is much more likely to have a 6 than a 7. Unless he is a known trapper, I think you have to play like this. River call is correct in my opinion.

Hand 2 is misplayed. A8 off is simply to weak, especially with 6 players in the pot. I dont mind the flop bet too much, but after its called, I think you have to check/fold that one.