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Toddy

10-22-2005, 01:37 PM

What do you think about this call? I actually raised to single him. I figured I had a 35% chance of catching the nut flush, and a 14% chance of hitting and A or 7 plus a 15% chance he was totally bluffing.. The guy is still in the lobby yelling at me. I told him I'd post the hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1445)
Button (t2055)
SB (t650)
BB (t1470)
Hero (t1435)
UTG+1 (t1590)
MP1 (t1825)
MP2 (t3030)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero calls t50, 2 folds, MP2 calls t50, 1 fold, Button calls t50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t250) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB bets t600 (All-In), BB folds, Hero raises to t1385, MP2 folds, Button folds.

Turn: (t2235) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2235) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2235

runner4life7

10-22-2005, 01:38 PM

i think the call preflop is something i would never do, but im ok with the post flop play

Shilly

10-22-2005, 01:40 PM

You're probably a slight favorite on the flop, and I like your flop play.

But I'd fold preflop.

Toddy

10-22-2005, 01:44 PM

The funny thing is 99% of the time I dont' play those hands UTG. I think I was just mixing it up since the table was so tight and I figured id get away w/ limping

microbet

10-22-2005, 01:52 PM

Seems fine. You are a slight favorite if he has something like K8 and with his overbet he has a pretty high chance of semi-bluffing himself in which case you are a big favorite. And with the 250 in the pot to start with it's impossible for you to be too far wrong here.

Freudian

10-22-2005, 02:31 PM

If I have that hand and get that flop, I'd try my hardest to get all my chips in.

valenzuela

10-22-2005, 03:06 PM

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What do you think about this call? I actually raised to single him. I figured I had a 35% chance of catching the nut flush, and a 14% chance of hitting and A or 7 plus a 15% chance he was totally bluffing.. The guy is still in the lobby yelling at me. I told him I'd post the hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1445)
Button (t2055)
SB (t650)
BB (t1470)
Hero (t1435)
UTG+1 (t1590)
MP1 (t1825)
MP2 (t3030)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero calls t50, 2 folds, MP2 calls t50, 1 fold, Button calls t50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t250) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB bets t600 (All-In), BB folds, Hero raises to t1385, MP2 folds, Button folds.

Turn: (t2235) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2235) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2235

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Guy in lobby is an idiot.

cha59

10-22-2005, 03:26 PM

Turn off your chat and dont worry about sore idiots criticising your play. The preflop limp was a little loose but postflop, you have a pair and probably 14 outs if he had a bigger pair.

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SumZero

10-22-2005, 08:00 PM

Even if you somehow think the only hands he'll play here this way are sets, 2 pair, and top pair top kicker, and over pairs you will win 46.33% of the time against that range. Your pot odds of risking 1385 to win a final pot of 3030 if he calls are 45.7%. So even against that range you are a winner.

If we add top pair J+ kickers as well as OESD to the range you become a 56.09%. Throw in some worse middle pairs and lower flush draws and bluffs all of which you are totally dominating and this is such an easy play.

In general, if you even flop 4-to the nut flush with a pair you should be all-in (or as much chips from your opponents as you can get) all the time in a STT. The number of times you should fold that on the flop is roughly the same as the number of times you should fold AA pre-flop.

Nick M

10-23-2005, 01:37 AM

if i played this hand UTG, with this many people left, at this level, and got this flop, I would play for all my money, no question about it. But i would never play this hand UTG, at this level, with this many people left.

curtains

10-23-2005, 01:39 AM

Okay, but calling preflop is really quite terrible for almost all players.

Karak567

10-23-2005, 01:42 AM

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Okay, but calling preflop is really quite terrible for almost all players.

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TheNoodleMan

10-23-2005, 02:26 AM

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The guy is still in the lobby yelling at me.

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The kinds of players that take losing a single SNG that badly are rarely anywhere near as good as they think they are. Ignore it and play your game.

runner4life7

10-23-2005, 04:39 AM

i see no reason to make this move because the table is tight. You limped and this tight table likely will play only higher aces making this hand near worthless and you obviously arent trapping preflop. This 99% thing just doesnt make sense to me, seems like a leak.