KK400NL Deepstacked, OOP

[jzpiano14]

Villan is ULTRA AGGRO, will raise, reraise with nothing on every street if he think u will flop, power poker at its most aggro lvl, We have gotten into a couple of scufflees up to this point, swapped a couple hundred a couple time, but in general his aggro is getting the best of me.


$400 NL Texas Hold'em
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Villan ( $676.35 )
Seat 4: Button ( $428.01 )
Seat 5: Hero SB( $850.50 )
Seat 2: MP ( $366.60 )
Seat 6: BB ( $417.90 )
Seat 1: UTG ( $400 )
Hero posts small blind [$2].
BB posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kc Kh ]
UTG calls [$4].
MP folds.
Villan calls [$4].
Button folds.
Hero raises [$22].
BB folds.
UTG calls [$20].
Villan calls [$20].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 6s, Ah ]
Hero bets [$50].
UTG folds
Villan calls [$50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
Hero bets [$100].
Villan raises [$350].
Hero folds.

Villan wins $623

What do you think, flame away

[chuddo]

bet more on the turn, 150 or so, if you want to feel better about folding to a raise. even if the bet is only 50 more, it can change his bluffing % lower.

[jzpiano14]

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bet more on the turn, 150 or so, if you want to feel better about folding to a raise. even if the bet is only 50 more, it can change his bluffing % lower.

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I don't know about that.....he is a total donk, but this is one of those WA/WB situations and being OOP I don't like this hand at all

[chuddo]

yeah, having KK OOP and an A flopping and being against an aggro opponent sucks. it is a [censored] spot to be in

i was just saying if you are going to bet-fold. bet a bit more than 100.

to illustrate: if you bet 50 how likely is he to bluff you? now if you had bet 300 how likely is he to bluff you?

this correlation between your bet size and his bluffing frequency is not a linear relationship however. but i think the slope of this hypothetical graph is at its greatest between $100-200.

this is why i bet more than 100 if i am planning to fold to a raise.

[jzpiano14]

Part of this is I'm just starting the 400, and not used to that much $ being on the table and this is actually my first hand in the MHNL forum, so maybe that's why I bet 100, still getting used to the bigger #'s

[flawless_victory]

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this is one of those WA/WB situations and being OOP

[/ QUOTE ]jesus christ. WA/WB? sometimes i open a thread, and i just dont know WTF ppl are thinking...

[sawseech]

i don't like the flop bet, but i understand it
why did you bet the turn? there's no reason for him to not fear a reverse trap, so why not checkcall and evaluate?

[flawless_victory]

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so why not checkcall and evaluate?

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R U SERIOUSSSS?

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[jzpiano14]

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i don't like the flop bet, but i understand it
why did you bet the turn? there's no reason for him to not fear a reverse trap, so why not checkcall and evaluate?

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because with him the bet is going to be about ~250 and probably a push on the river if I call, which doesn't leave me with any more info

[ahnuld]

Check fold turn. Nuf said.

[DyessMan89]

I dont like playing this as WA/WB and check-calling becuase I dont think your way ahead here. I think he most likley has an ace, a draw, or a set. I like leading the turn here becuase you might be able to get a low kicker Ace outta there, or a draw. However, I would have bet a bit more, more like 175 ... and then fold if he comes over the top.

[Mark1808]

I like the check fold turn as well. He called the PF raise and flop bet with an Ace out there. Since you have mixed it up with him before I don't think he thinks you will back down. If he's aggressive as you say it will take only one mistake on his part to bust him and you can afford a few lay downs. You don't need to win every hand against super aggressive players, just one or two.

[sawseech]

so then chkfold the turn if he's pushing the river and you're not going to call

[Riposte]

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jesus christ. WA/WB? sometimes i open a thread, and i just dont know WTF ppl are thinking...

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Why isn't this WA/WB?

[Simplistic]

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Check fold turn. Nuf said.

[/ QUOTE ]werd.

i don't see the reason to fire two barrels?

[fuego527]

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jesus christ. WA/WB? sometimes i open a thread, and i just dont know WTF ppl are thinking...

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Why isn't this WA/WB?

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The only hands that you are way ahead of (K8? QQ?) are planning to steal this pot (especially when played by this type of opponent) most likely on the turn. The only way you get paid off is with a nice read and huge call(s). You, however, stated that you were too scared with this much money at stake and also that you were planning on folding to his aggression on later streets. If its a different type of opponent, you cant play it WA/WB because of your reverse implied.

[Riposte]

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You, however, stated that you were too scared with this much money at stake and also that you were planning on folding to his aggression on later streets.

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Como what?

[fuego527]

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You, however, stated that you were too scared with this much money at stake and also that you were planning on folding to his aggression on later streets.

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Como what?

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sorry, thought you were OP

[Spladle Master]

Dude, just check/fold the turn. Unless you really like this guy and would like to give him more money.