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jason_t
10-21-2005, 09:11 PM
Loose/passive 6 max game on PokerStars.

Folded to my SB and I'm holding QT. The BB will raise nearly any two here and is a disaster postflop.

So I complete, he raises according to plan, and I 3-bet....

How bad is this? What hands would you do this with?
10-21-2005, 09:29 PM
I prefer doing this with hands that can show down UI better, even if it's a suited K, this is pushing it, I open raise here, don't like the lr.
oreogod
10-21-2005, 09:38 PM
Im headed out the door (dinner w/ gf) so Im going the one liner route to say: Im a fan of it.

I can reinterate later.
Trix
10-21-2005, 09:39 PM
How does a postflop disaster play ?
jason_t
10-21-2005, 10:15 PM
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Im headed out the door (dinner w/ gf) so Im going the one liner route to say: Im a fan of it.

I can reinterate later.

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Hopefully elaborate too.
billyjex
10-21-2005, 10:18 PM
I just keep it simple and raise. I dunno, a simple PF decision like this isn't that big of a deal.
10-21-2005, 10:28 PM
I'd prefer to just see a flop.

If he is so bad postflop why do you want to build the pot out of position with an average hand?

I'd prefer to limp reraise with a good made hand like a big Ace or a decent pair.
baronzeus
10-21-2005, 10:31 PM
i did this today with A8s. too bad he had AJ and the flop came A high /images/graemlins/frown.gif
jason_t
10-22-2005, 12:19 AM
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If he is so bad postflop why do you want to build the pot out of position with an average hand?

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If I am certain he is raising any two here, do I really have an average hand?
partygirluk
10-22-2005, 12:43 AM
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

12,730,507 games 30.344 secs 419,539 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 57.2826 % 55.95% 01.35% { QcTd }
Hand 2: 42.7174 % 41.38% 01.35% { random }
sthief09
10-22-2005, 01:12 AM
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If he is so bad postflop why do you want to build the pot out of position with an average hand?

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this pretty much explains it. big pots oop are bad
sthief09
10-22-2005, 01:13 AM
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If he is so bad postflop why do you want to build the pot out of position with an average hand?

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If I am certain he is raising any two here, do I really have an average hand?

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but you have Q high
SippinSoma
10-22-2005, 01:37 AM
If Jason is truly against a random hand, Q high is good, no?
blackize
10-22-2005, 01:43 AM
Yes but how much of that equity is lost by the fact that he has to play this out of position against someone holding any 2?
10-22-2005, 01:45 AM
What do you do when he raises you on a J53 flop or a K87 flop?

What do you do when he just calls your flop bet when you dont improve? Are you going to bet into him on the turn or you going to check fold?

Your hand needs to improve to be confident of winning the pot. The turn decision is most important because you dont want to be calling with Q high. If you check twice is he going to bet the river with a worse hand?

QTo is better than a random hand but being out of position evens it up.