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Gomez22
10-20-2005, 04:25 PM
Level 1 10/20(9 handed), I have T1470 in chips and Kc Kh in MP1 - no reads on any players...

UTG (1610) raises to 100, folds to me, I re-raise to 400, MP2 insta pushes for 1350, MP3 (1750) pushes, UTG calls...... I tank and finally fold...

They had:
UTG: AJo
MP2: AQo
MP3: AKs

And I feel like a total donk.....

zambonidrivr
10-20-2005, 04:26 PM
yeah that is horrible.
jackets suck too.

downtown
10-20-2005, 04:42 PM
I can only think of like 2 times I've ever laid down QQ preflop, and one of those my friend was watching, and I laid it down to KK v AK PF, so half was just hoping I would look cool.

If you posted this folding of KK to get flamed, then I flame thee. Don't do it.

kyro
10-20-2005, 04:44 PM
Why, because the players here were complete morons? Folding here can't be as bad as a few of you are trying to make it sound. I'm not saying I would have folded here, necessarily, but 3 people DID just push in for 80BB.

Exitonly
10-20-2005, 04:48 PM
well you are getting close to 4:1, which is about what you'll be vs AA.

so if you're 100% sure someone has aces, you wouldn't be that far off calling... and clearly you aren't 100% sure.

downtown
10-20-2005, 04:50 PM
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Why, because the players here were complete morons? Folding here can't be as bad as a few of you are trying to make it sound. I'm not saying I would have folded here, necessarily, but 3 people DID just push in for 80BB.

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Considering folding KK in a SNG <$55 and possibly <$109 will give up too much equity in the long run, even in this exact situation. Some will argue that this is true only for SNGs <$33, whatever, it's somewhere around there. At an $11, $22, or $16 it's a crime, and as bad as I'm trying to make it sound.

Rduke55
10-20-2005, 05:13 PM
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well you are getting close to 4:1, which is about what you'll be vs AA.

so if you're 100% sure someone has aces, you wouldn't be that far off calling... and clearly you aren't 100% sure.

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Isn't the main pot 4690? 1350 from MP2, 1470 from MP3, 1470 from UTG, and hero's 400 in there, and he has 1070 remaining. So he needs to call 1070 into a 4690 pot (4.4-1). Even if one of them flipped over AA you'd have odds to call (yeah, I know - with the other people in the odds aren't this simple but c'mon, 4.4-1) even without considering what knocking out or crippling 3 people and you having a monstous stack would do in this game.
And you're not sure AA is even out there.
Bad fold, and by bad I mean awful.

10-20-2005, 06:02 PM
It's one thing to laydown kings to a couple of raises because you think someone has aces...but quite another when you have already put over 1/4 of your stack in the pot. Gotta call.

tigerite
10-20-2005, 09:10 PM
I really nearly folded it PF in a $55 tonight. I raised UTG+2 to a limper, someone who had not played a hand (and it was 15/30 level) re-raised me the minimum, I re-re-raised when it got back to me. He pushed. I had a very, very strong suspicion he had AA even from his original re-raise.

I still called though. And yes he had rockets.