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EMcWilliams

10-20-2005, 12:30 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO ($137)
Button ($149.65)
SB ($86.60)
BB ($47.50)
UTG ($48.85)
Hero ($53.40)
MP1 ($76)
MP2 ($62.30)
MP3 ($47.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 2 folds, MP3 calls $2.50, 4 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: ($6.25) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP3 calls $4.

Turn: ($14.25) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP3 calls $7.

River: ($28.25) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $15,Villian goes all in for 43.40, Hero calls $19.30.

Final Pot: $62.55

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Ac (three of a kind, aces).
MP3 has Td Js (straight, ace high).
Outcome: MP3 wins $62.55.

xorbie

10-20-2005, 12:50 AM

Pot the flop pot the turn. Then push the river.

Malachii

10-20-2005, 12:52 AM

I'm all in favor of keeping the bet sizes for your continuation bets and real bets the same (generally speaking 2/3rds of the pot for me) but this is not the flop to do it with. Pot the flop. I'm not sure about the turn... I'll often check here, but I don't mind your bet as long as you can confidently fold it to a raise (Villain is unlikely to bluff you.) River is unfortunate since you're now beating any two pair hand.

BTW that weird preflop raise really gives away your hand... I prefer raising in whatever dollar amount you prefer (probably $3 here.) I usually interpret small or oddly sized raises as extreme strength and am calling with a lot of speculative hands as a result. I don't think I'm the only one that does this.

EMcWilliams

10-20-2005, 12:57 AM

I put villian on clubs or QGK on the flop, so the King wasnt good. I was folding to a rr

Another piss poor AA hand:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 ($48.50)
Hero ($59.30)
CO ($51.50)
Button ($27.10)
SB ($73.98)
BB ($51.80)
UTG ($170.67)
UTG+1 ($42.10)
MP1 ($34.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3, CO calls $3, 3 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($7.75) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO raises to $20, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $33.75

Malachii

10-20-2005, 01:00 AM

What do you know about the cutoff? Bet 8$ on this flop.

xorbie

10-20-2005, 01:00 AM

That's not necessarily piss poor at all.

pokerjoker

10-20-2005, 01:02 AM

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Pot the flop pot the turn. Then push the river.

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crosse91

10-20-2005, 01:19 AM

why does everyone have pretty colors?

Malachii

10-20-2005, 01:23 AM

Because we're cool and you're not!

EMcWilliams

10-20-2005, 01:37 AM

Nothing in particular about the CO.

Malachii

10-20-2005, 01:40 AM

Then fold is fine.

FreakDaddy

10-20-2005, 04:20 AM

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Pot the flop pot the turn. Then push the river.

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Ouch, no. Poo poo advice. I like the river bet, fold to the push. People rarely at this level over bet the pot that much with the goods, especially after you've been betting all this time.

mason55

10-20-2005, 04:21 AM

wtf how are you still black

xorbie

10-20-2005, 04:22 AM

Mods are removing colors one by one, so it's taking time. I'm refusing to do it in silent protest (lmao no I'm actually lazy).

FreakDaddy

10-20-2005, 04:23 AM

Any reads?

There are a lot of hands that you're beating here. At this level I push this flop. There are 2 draws on baord and he could have any smaller PP that yours. You are ONLY behind to a set, and two pair seems unlikely.

mason55

10-20-2005, 04:24 AM

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Mods are removing colors one by one, so it's taking time. I'm refusing to do it in silent protest (lmao no I'm actually lazy).

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If you were really cool you'd put me back tomorrow /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I promise to call a raise with KT84 no suits!

xorbie

10-20-2005, 04:26 AM

Hey look here Dirk, when Commodus threatens to make a playground out of your ass, we'll see who's gung ho about colors.

mason55

10-20-2005, 04:39 AM

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jzpiano14

10-20-2005, 04:45 AM

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