Do you c/r, c/c or lead this river?

[nomadtla]

The Villan is a little loser then a solid player but not out of line (25/6.5/1.9 after 50 hands). For Absolute he's about an average player. Postflop he seems to take shots when he see's weakness but no one's called him on it yet so I can't tell if he's taking shots or has it. This is the first hand we've tangled. The table just lost some players so it's 7 handed.

Absolute (9 handed, 7 players) .50/1
Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/heart.gifT/images/graemlins/club.gif
3 folds, Hero Raises, Button calls, 2 Folds

Preflop seems standard.

Flop: (5.5 sb) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif8/images/graemlins/club.gif7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls

Standard continuation bet w/ UI overs, BDFD, BDSD.

Turn: (3.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

My overs are cut to one and thought he might have hit that flush card. Plan was check/call if needed, like the check through. I know if I check any river at this point he will bet 90% because he's done it at every oportunity I've seen (4 total)

River: (3.5 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero?

I think the +EV play here is checking I think he will bet many hands I beat, but my flush is only ten high so I don't think I have value in c/r.

What do you guys think, help on any street is appreciated, would particularly like river advice and reasoning.

I think I would bet the river and think about folding to a raise. I really doubt he is going to be a hand that you beat, but I think he will call some hands that you don't beat (like pocket pairs, especially if he has a /images/graemlins/club.gif)

[lautzutao]

I think you have to bet here. He will call with any spade lower than a T

[lautzutao]

Would knowing that villian takes shots make you change your mind about folding to a raise? I think the way OP described villian would make me think he's raising any /images/graemlins/club.gif in his hand

[cold_cash]

What's the secret to getting the converter to work with Absolute hand histories?

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What's the secret to getting the converter to work with Absolute hand histories?

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The secret is to write them up manually.

[cold_cash]

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What's the secret to getting the converter to work with Absolute hand histories?

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The secret is to write them up manually.

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Got any other secrets? I'm far too lazy for this one.


Since I've screwed up this thread I guess I should comment on the hand:

If you think he's more likely to bluff than he is to call, I would check.

If you think he's more likely to call than bluff, I would bet.

If you're afraid he might checkraise bluff, I would check. (This player will likely bluff bet anyway, so you still win a bet.)

[nomadtla]

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The secret is to write them up manually.

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Got any other secrets? I'm far too lazy for this one.


Since I've screwed up this thread I guess I should comment on the hand:

If you think he's more likely to bluff than he is to call, I would check.

If you think he's more likely to call than bluff, I would bet.

If you're afraid he might checkraise bluff, I would check. (This player will likely bluff bet anyway, so you still win a bet.)

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There are no other secrets as you can tell by the lack of sweet colors I did this by hand.

AS for the hand I think he is more likely to bluff deffinately so I was thinking check, but is there EV in raising his bluff.

I think c/r the river is probably a bad idea. I really think he value bets a bigger flush or a non-flush hand, and will check behind with something like 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif6 /images/graemlins/club.gif.

[bozlax]

Just check/call...being 3-bet would suck.

(I think I'll come up with a macro to type that for me.)

[aces_dad]

That or some snazzy acronym like JCC...BTBWS. I could see this overtaking SIIHP soon.

Err, this means I agree with boz here.

[lautzutao]

Again, this player likes to take shots at people to win pots. You don't think you're going to profit from his raise? I guess I don't know the frequency of his bluffs but it sounds fairly often. If he bluffs more than 1 in 5 times here isn't this a profitable call if we give him the opportunity to raise us?

[Shillx]

NEVER check a flush in this spot. You are betting a lot of non-flush hands, so you also have to bet the flushes.

[Duerig]

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I know if I check any river at this point he will bet 90% because he's done it at every oportunity I've seen (4 total)


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4 Hands isn't that many. Whats more important is the kind of stuff he's been showing down, the texture of the board when checked to him, etc. I'd lead the river.

[aces_dad]

The read provided was:

Postflop he seems to take shots when he see's weakness

I wouldn't correlate that read with often river 3bet/bluff vs a c/r on a four flush board.

[lautzutao]

Ok, but I'd still bet out here /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[aces_dad]

Yeah and after reading Brad's post I'm re-thinking my line here as well ...

[lautzutao]

May I ask why you say that?

Against a player that seems to bet a lot in spots where this might induce a bet, a check could be a good play yes? I don't understand why you NEVER check a flush, especially a 4-flush.