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pineapple888
10-19-2005, 05:54 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t425)
Hero (t1430)
BB (t5570)
UTG (t575)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t225

BB is typical $11 player: doesn't push enough, calls too much.

Problems I saw playing this hand:
- Taking on big stack
- Two others quite a bit shorter than me
- I'm just under 10BB inflection point, meaning I theoretically have to risk my entire stack to increase it by 10% (if he folds).

Arguments for playing:

- Great time to maybe double up and play for first
- I dominate any Ax, Kx

Seeing this in print, I now feel like I have to push. But could a call possibly be good here, against a weak player???
playtitleist
10-19-2005, 07:04 PM
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could a call possibly be good here

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I don't see how. Offer reasons.
10-19-2005, 07:18 PM
just gotta push that, every time.

You'll get called by things you dominate all the time. That's one of the 6 hands you're waiting for on the button.
10-19-2005, 07:29 PM
Easy push, in part becasue you don't have anything locked up yet. If the short stacks double up, one of them through you, then you're in big trouble. If the big stack makes a mistake, calls with junk, and hits, so be it. Fire up another one.
niquewon
10-19-2005, 07:32 PM
I'd probably push but I don't hate folding.
10-19-2005, 07:37 PM
I push this everytime. If you get a double up, you're in so much better shape for HU it's not even funny.

If he calls too much, he will almost certainly call with any A or K, which you have dominated. Getting money in as a 70% favorite is a good thing.
pineapple888
10-19-2005, 07:38 PM
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could a call possibly be good here

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I don't see how. Offer reasons.

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The usual. Lose less if you miss, still get paid off if you hit and have him dominated.
illini43
10-19-2005, 07:52 PM
This is a great spot for a push...you WANT a call.
playtitleist
10-19-2005, 07:54 PM
So, here's the thing on the call. It's only t75, so not a huge risk, that's granted. However, the only way you are getting more money out of him is if the flop hits both of you. That's not likely. More likely is the flop misses both of you, you check, he bets, you fold bleeding t75.

Only way I call here is to induce a bluff by checking/raising a hit flop, but you really don't want to get tricky at this point.

Push (or fold).

If you do call, you must push if he bumps it pre-flop.
valenzuela
10-19-2005, 07:55 PM
Q:was AK fold too tight?
A: yes.
JP Rocks
10-19-2005, 07:57 PM
I probably push AA-88, AK-AT or KQ-KT here, depending on reads... Folding AK is criminal.
valenzuela
10-19-2005, 08:08 PM
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This is a great spot for a push...you WANT a call.

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ehhh...actually you dont want a call.
But its still a proftiable push since ure oponent will fold many garbaje and when he does calll at least you will have a very strong hand.
pineapple888
10-19-2005, 08:14 PM
OK, everyone agrees it's a push.

I was playing three bubbles at once and had made a mental note not to push into the big stack here.

Gotta get more detailed with those mental notes /images/graemlins/smile.gif
tigerite
10-19-2005, 08:19 PM
If he calls more than 10% of hands (55+,ATo+,A8s+,KQs) this is a fold, assuming you want a +0.5% edge.

All these people saying you want a call with AKo really don't know what they are talking about.
tigerite
10-19-2005, 08:21 PM
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I probably push AA-88, AK-AT or KQ-KT here, depending on reads... Folding AK is criminal.

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Jesus christ.
pineapple888
10-19-2005, 08:30 PM
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If he calls more than 10% of hands (55+,ATo+,A8s+,KQs) this is a fold, assuming you want a +0.5% edge.

All these people saying you want a call with AKo really don't know what they are talking about.

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Well, I guess I let the majority vote sway me. Villain is looser than that.

Looks likes it's a pretty close decision, at any rate. That makes me feel better.
10-19-2005, 08:30 PM
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If he calls more than 10% of hands (55+,ATo+,A8s+,KQs) this is a fold, assuming you want a +0.5% edge.

All these people saying you want a call with AKo really don't know what they are talking about.

[/ QUOTE ]Whatthey mean is: they want a lose call.
tigerite
10-19-2005, 08:31 PM
Well, they do not want a loose call. Seeing as that loses $EV for you. Yes, it loses it for Villian as well - and gives it all to the two short stacks who are out of the hand.
JP Rocks
10-19-2005, 09:02 PM
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I probably push AA-88, AK-AT or KQ-KT here, depending on reads... Folding AK is criminal.

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Jesus christ.

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Obviously I'm not looking for a call with all of those hands. I also appreciate that bubble agression against the big stack is not recommended practice. But this is a low buy in STT, and just sitting back and folding ITM without shooting for first is a far bigger crime than pushing the range above in this spot.
lastchance
10-19-2005, 09:56 PM
Push. You can get folds here, which makes this a super easy push. You don't want calls, so against a super loose opponent, I might be inclined to make this fold, and it would be good.

But I don't fold without reads here.