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MaxPower
10-19-2005, 03:48 PM
15/30 game online.
Fairly loose very aggressive player limps UTG, I raise UTG+1 with A /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/spade.gif, folded to the BB (slightly loose/not too aggresssive) who calls, UTG calls. 3 to the flop for 6 2/3 sb.
Flop: 5 /images/graemlins/club.gif 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif
BB bets, UTG calls, I call. pot 4.5BB
Turn: T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
BB bets, UTG calls, What is my plan?
Thanks.
@bsolute_luck
10-19-2005, 03:56 PM
i want to raise because it is possible i have the best hand and UTG is padding the pot now on his /images/graemlins/club.gif draw (possibly). my problem is what to do if i'm 3-bet by BB, which i don't have an answer....
BigBiceps
10-19-2005, 04:02 PM
Call.
This gives him a chance to bluff the river, if he misses whatever crazy draw he is on. If he checks this river and it is a non-club then you are probably safe to bet.
I can't fathom not raising. I call down if I get 3 bet but I that's not happening as often as some people will think.
felix83
10-19-2005, 04:07 PM
I like a raise here; there's no reason to think you don't have the best hand, and until you've been shown a reason to believe otherwise get some more money in there.
If 3-bet, I'd call hoping for help on the river. Without any, I would probably fold to a bet, depending on whether the BB has come along all the way, making the pot big enough that it warrants a crying call.
Brunger
10-19-2005, 04:09 PM
We Hit!! raise it up. You said he isn't too aggressive so that means you should be able to fold to a 3-bet. Your hand is the best here a large portion of the time I would guess. Otherwise why are we calling on the flop if we don't think we make the best hand with a pair.
BigEndian
10-19-2005, 04:12 PM
Raise. Play from there.
- Jim
MaxPower
10-19-2005, 04:16 PM
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I can't fathom not raising. I call down if I get 3 bet but I that's not happening as often as some people will think.
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OK, I raised. Now the big big blind called, and the UTG player (who had just been calling thus far) re-raised, I called and the BB folded.
The river was the Jack of Diamonds and I called a bet from UTG.
BigEndian
10-19-2005, 04:22 PM
Was he that crazy aggressive that you felt it merited a call-down when he woke up?
- Jim
bobhalford
10-19-2005, 05:39 PM
I would raise the flop in order to get a free card or maybe 2 if I need it.
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I can't fathom not raising. I call down if I get 3 bet but I that's not happening as often as some people will think.
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OK, I raised. Now the big big blind called, and the UTG player (who had just been calling thus far) re-raised, I called and the BB folded.
The river was the Jack of Diamonds and I called a bet from UTG.
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I think you should fold to the turn 3 bet. You're drawing dead usually. That being said, I'd call down out of a consistant form of tilt that I struggle with.
Luv2DriveTT
10-19-2005, 06:28 PM
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I can't fathom not raising. I call down if I get 3 bet but I that's not happening as often as some people will think.
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OK, I raised. Now the big big blind called, and the UTG player (who had just been calling thus far) re-raised, I called and the BB folded.
The river was the Jack of Diamonds and I called a bet from UTG.
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What more do you know about UTG? Have you seen any other erratic play from him before? I liked your play up till this point, need more info to continue.
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I can't fathom not raising. I call down if I get 3 bet but I that's not happening as often as some people will think.
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OK, I raised. Now the big big blind called, and the UTG player (who had just been calling thus far) re-raised, I called and the BB folded.
The river was the Jack of Diamonds and I called a bet from UTG.
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What more do you know about UTG? Have you seen any other erratic play from him before? I liked your play up till this point, need more info to continue.
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For some reason this made me laugh. I can just see you typing in chat "I refuse to play on until I gather more data." Maybe disconnect or something.
brettbrettr
10-19-2005, 06:29 PM
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I'd call down out of a consistant form of tilt that I struggle with.
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Its called showdown addiction and I too am afflicted.
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I'd call down out of a consistent form of tilt that I struggle with.
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Its called showdown addiction and I too am afflicted.
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The weird thing is that I probably see a lot fewer showdowns than most people (relative to how I play and all that), but against really weird lines like this I always have a hard time trusting myself. Part of that is the really weird lines like this often produce artificially bloated pots so you should call down more, but still I feel like I do too much. I'm conscious of it though, so at least it's something I can try to improve.
Luv2DriveTT
10-19-2005, 06:34 PM
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I can't fathom not raising. I call down if I get 3 bet but I that's not happening as often as some people will think.
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OK, I raised. Now the big big blind called, and the UTG player (who had just been calling thus far) re-raised, I called and the BB folded.
The river was the Jack of Diamonds and I called a bet from UTG.
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What more do you know about UTG? Have you seen any other erratic play from him before? I liked your play up till this point, need more info to continue.
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For some reason this made me laugh. I can just see you typing in chat "I refuse to play on until I gather more data." Maybe disconnect or something.
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Dude, you just made me laugh out loud at work. Way to get me busted goofing off /images/graemlins/smile.gif
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MaxPower
10-19-2005, 07:05 PM
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I'd call down out of a consistent form of tilt that I struggle with.
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Its called showdown addiction and I too am afflicted.
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The weird thing is that I probably see a lot fewer showdowns than most people (relative to how I play and all that), but against really weird lines like this I always have a hard time trusting myself. Part of that is the really weird lines like this often produce artificially bloated pots so you should call down more, but still I feel like I do too much. I'm conscious of it though, so at least it's something I can try to improve.
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I have the same issue, especially when someone takes a weird line.
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