2/4 at Niagara casino

[Felipe]

This hand 2/4 was played live at the local cardroom.

It is a semi-loose table, usually 5 to the flop. Many are calling down with low pairs, or seriously outkicked hands. I'm in ep2 and raise preflop with A /images/graemlins/diamond.gifT /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. MP2 calls and button calls. No specific reads on MP2 and button (they are playing 2/4 so I read them as loose passive until proven otherwise.) I don't know how other perceive me, though. so....

3 to the flop.
Frop comes all clubs: 10 rag rag (board not paired)


I think I know what I could have done better in this hand. I'd like some feedback as to things to consider while playing flops like this, at the lowlimits.

[Webster]

geez - at 1st I voted check raise but your not sure if the others will bet so I say you HAVE to bet, if raised reraise.

Nothing to be afraid of so far!!

[TheHammer24]

Bet raise w/o a specific read against a 2/4 B and M player.

FWIW, I don't think a poll is necessary. just post the question and review the responses.

[crunchy1]

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FWIW, I don't think a poll is necessary. just post the question and review the responses.

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The poll is bad. My action after I lead out is going to depend on what my opponents do.

[Felipe]

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FWIW, I don't think a poll is necessary. just post the question and review the responses.

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The poll is bad. My action after I lead out is going to depend on what my opponents do.

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OK - now that I know the poll is of no value...

Bet and call has the most responses, next is check and raise a reraise. Bet and call appears to be a good play, and is the one I considered after I played this hand.

In fact I checked, MP2 bet, button raised, and I folded <-----weeeeaaaak tiiiiiiight. Considering I was the preflop raiser, it would have been easy and natural to bet against 2 players. I hit Top/top, a good hand I think with 2 opponents, but the flush just fked me up in the heat-of-battle. Had I bet, i would have called a raise - I think I would have led out if a non-club turned. What would I have done if a club fell? If i bet and get raised? If I bet and get called? What do they all mean? What would you put them on?

[newhizzle]

i bet/raise with no reads

[Felipe]

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Isn't this contributing to the equity of a flush draw? I"ve got no redraws at all.

[Pog0]

Sorry for hijacking, but does casino niagra spread any higher games ever? I was there once and they only had 2/4, 3/6 and $100 NL. Fallsview had 6/12 and 5-5NL.

[Felipe]

I don't think niagara has higher. The 100NL is 1/2 (you knew that though) Brantford has 10/20 limit and 20/40 limit, seat charge. They haven't had NL, as far as I know.

I like niagara - you can call in advance put your name on the waiting list for 1.5 hrs. Smaller tables (easier to see people and cards). They crank the A/C and Oxygen a little high, however.

[newhizzle]

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i bet/raise with no reads

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Isn't this contributing to the equity of a flush draw? I"ve got no redraws at all.

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a flush draw is hitting 35% of the time, so if its 3 way or more they make money off of every bet, but assuming no other draws(im sure this is not the case, but it just makes the point clearer), you are winning 65% of the time, so you want to charge the draw as well, in actuallity you are probably not winning 65%, but you will be winning more than 33% witch is what you need for a raise to be profitable, the flush draw makes money off of the other player not you, plus you also want to charge overs or any other pairs

i dont know if the way i said this is clear, but basically if we assume one player has a club and the other has middle pair or something, you and the player with the club are making money off of the middle pair guy and you are making more than the club

also if you can knock someone out, your equity will increase and heads up a flush draw is losing money off of every bet, but making money from the pot and future implied bets

[mikeyvegas]

I bet/call and bet a non diamond, or king on the turn. This is if you dont lose any of the cold callers.