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10-19-2005, 01:26 PM

Opponent is unremarkable. Little too loose, too passive. Nothing horrible, but doesn't understand the game.

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BB ($121.55)
UTG ($135.60)
MP ($177.80)
Hero ($200)
Button ($375.95)
SB ($130.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, Button calls $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($25) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, Button raises to $85, BB folds, Hero folds.

Now, lets say after 50-100 more hands with this player at the table he gets committed with top pair (various kickers, decent->top for the most part) at least 5 times. And he plays this hand against you:

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UTG ($62.05)
MP ($181.55)
CO ($125.50)
Hero ($197)
SB ($260.25)
BB ($340.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $21, SB calls $20, 1 fold, UTG folds.

Flop: ($51) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $51, Hero calls $51.

Turn: ($153) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $153, Hero calls $125 (All-In).

River: ($431) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $431

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Kd (full house, kings full of twos).
SB has 8c 8d (two pair, eights and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins $403. SB wins $28. 

Does this change your answer in how you'd play the AA hand?

elus2

10-19-2005, 01:35 PM

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Opponent is unremarkable. Little too loose, too passive. Nothing horrible, but doesn't understand the game.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB ($121.55)
UTG ($135.60)
MP ($177.80)
Hero ($200)
Button ($375.95)
SB ($130.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, Button calls $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($25) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, Button raises to $85, BB folds, Hero folds.

Now, lets say after 50-100 more hands with this player at the table he gets committed with top pair (various kickers, decent->top for the most part) at least 5 times. And he plays this hand against you:

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG ($62.05)
MP ($181.55)
CO ($125.50)
Hero ($197)
SB ($260.25)
BB ($340.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $21, SB calls $20, 1 fold, UTG folds.

Flop: ($51) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $51, Hero calls $51.

Turn: ($153) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $153, Hero calls $125 (All-In).

River: ($431) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $431

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Kd (full house, kings full of twos).
SB has 8c 8d (two pair, eights and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins $403. SB wins $28. 

Does this change your answer in how you'd play the AA hand?

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if the AA hand came up again i would call the flop c/r and let him commit himself on the turn.

Hoopster81

10-19-2005, 01:37 PM

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Does this change your answer in how you'd play the AA hand?

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uhm.. YES

10-19-2005, 01:49 PM

But without the subsequent information, this is a standard fold on the flop, right? Against someone we haven't really seen get out of line.

vulturesrow

10-19-2005, 02:08 PM

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But without the subsequent information, this is a standard fold on the flop, right? Against someone we haven't really seen get out of line.

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Yup.

10-19-2005, 02:21 PM

Without question.

dtbog

10-19-2005, 02:22 PM

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Does this change your answer in how you'd play the AA hand?

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Looks to me like he checkraises big hands and bets full pot on the flop when he's "bluffing", no?

I still think he had you on the AA hand.

10-19-2005, 02:43 PM

This is kind of what I was thinking.

I think even if I had all that information when I played that AA hand a fold would still be correct.

10-19-2005, 02:55 PM

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Does this change your answer in how you'd play the AA hand?

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Looks to me like he checkraises big hands and bets full pot on the flop when he's "bluffing", no?

I still think he had you on the AA hand.

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I don't believe villian was checkraising the AA hand b/c villain had the button.