blatant disregard (disrespect?) for money

[mgsimpleton]

hey guys,

so i see posts on here all the time where people say stuff like "man you have to have the biggest sack ever to pull off this bluff" or "geez your testicles must be boulders" or "[insert other analogy related male genitalia to large round objects being necessary to make a play]." most of these comments i've noticed come from weaker (or just newer) players... basically, i've never seen a solid known regular make a comment like that.

but when i'm playing... i push all in all the time. i mean granted i play in games that i'm completely overrolled for, and i do it on purpose, so losing a stack or two doesn't concern me at all... but i think i have just some sort of lack of respect for money. it really isn't even money, just some number on the internet that changes daily floating around in "cyberspace." so if i think he's full of sh*t, and i think it's a +EV play, i'm pushing my chips in the pot as fast as i can. i mean, that's more fun than waiting aroud for the nuts (even if you are masturbating/porn shopping while doing so).

but i also am frivolous now outside in my real life. like when i want something, i buy it. i don't buy many things for myself and i haven't spent much poker money but i never concern myself with costs, especially of eating/drinking out... if something i bought from a store doesnt work i'll be damned if i'm going to go all the way back there for 30 bucks... you get my drift.

i'm curious to see your thoughts on this matter, how many feel similarly. and do you think it is possible to have a disconnect between poker life and real life where you can have a blatant disregard/disrepect for money online while you are playing but still be smart about it in real life?

discuss.

[Yeti]

Obviously the answer is yes.

[Ghazban]

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if someone i bought from a store doesnt work...

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Jebus, what stores are you going to?

[stoxtrader]

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Obviously the answer is yes.

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but that doesnt mean I think what you are doing is not smart. Your time is now more valuable when measured by opportunity cost, so proceed accordingly.

[mgsimpleton]

ok well even if the answer is yes to the poorly phrased question, i still would like to generate discussion on people's individual thoughts and experiences.

[Yeti]

I would advise against being frivolous for the sake of being frivolous, as I'd imagine it is a bad habit to get into, unless you want to end up like Antonio.

Having said that, do enjoy your money, but put some away for a rainy day as well. Like stox said, sometimes I will splash out(!!) on a bus journey and recover that money with the extra minutes I've saved /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[mgsimpleton]

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sometimes I will splash out(!!) on a bus journey

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it's like you're from a foreign country or something man. this forum is in english, please.

[HoldEmKillah]

I behave exactly as you do, duck. If I want something (or even if I just kinda want it) then I buy it. Period. Sometimes I'll go the mall just to LOOK for something to buy after a good day or good run. Last weekend I blew over a grand on junk and it didn't even phase me.

This, for me, isn't a problem since I know after blowing through money I have to tighten up the spending for awhile. My problem is caring about money on the table when I am overolled for the limit I'm playing. As soon as I become overolled for a particular limit I tend to get bored since winning a couple buy ins only makes a dent in my bankroll. I'm getting better at coping but when boredom strikes evil things happen like bad play and moving up limits too soon.

**btw duck, were you playing on like 20 tables this morning? Every table I went to, there you were. I almost dropped down limits cuz you had a monopoly going. lol.**

[ahnuld]

The way you describe your "disrespect for money" at the table is the way all top players must regard money when playing poker. I think you need to ignore the fact that you just wagered a trip to the bahamas. In terms of real life, its good to spend your money, I mean you cant take it with you. Just dont be a moron like dropping 1k every night you go out to a club (well I guess ur a girl and they generally dont do this) or stupid shite like that and enjoy your wealth.

[Yeti]

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(well I guess ur a girl and they generally dont do this)

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a/s/l?

[paco]

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Obviously the answer is yes.

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but that doesnt mean I think what you are doing is not smart. Your time is now more valuable when measured by opportunity cost, so proceed accordingly.

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Exaclty. The nature of online poker is that you have as much work as you want, anytime you want it. It therefore presents a rather pure example of opportunity cost. If you're making $100/hr playing online, it makes no sense at all to spend an hour returning something that cost $30.

I've picked up some similar tendancies.

When I used to work I'd shy away from spending money because I'd always think, well going out tonight is going to cost me about 2 hours of work. So I'd think to myself, two hours I worked today I basically got paid nothing.

With poker it's not like that, for me anyway. The bankroll is large enough so that spending $50 on dinner means nothing. It also doesn't quantify anything as far as 'hours worked' goes either. I don't keep track of a "per hour" wage playing poker because it's never the same.

I can't say I'm as cavalier as you about shoving chips into the pot, but I am definitely more eager to just shove them in online if I feel like someone is trying to steal than I would be playing live.

[JooWish622]

If the answer was yes, one could honestly say that they don't think about winning more money playing poker when buying something expensive. For instance, when I bought my new ipod, even though I had a perfectly working older one, I reasoned to myself that I could easily make this money back playing a good hour of poker.

The answer is clearly no since the cash that we easily earn through internet poker has value in real life.

[Rootabager]

My money on the internet doesnt bother me as much. It's like losing play money. But when I go to the casino with money I cashed out from poker I hate losing it. I dont like to play live as high as I four table 6 max on the net. It's totally retared but I cant help it.

[DcifrThs]

yo V, thro some do' my way, i be po'

(random rap lyric: Big L: "breakin in cribs with a crowbar/i wasn't poor, i was po'/couldn't afford the "O" "R" ")

tirame dinero. AHORITA!

seriously, i have the same kinda problem. i recently bought a norelco electric razor which doesn't work in the least. blows goats. its $165. i figure maybe i'll keep it for the [censored] of it and still pay $20 for mach3 power razors. similarly, i have an interview at lehman in NY next friday. am i really going to remember to ask waiters and taxi drivers for receipts for reimbersement?? luckily their travel department has a good system where they pay for my flight but if they didn't, id probably end up shelling out the dough and not get it back.

my problem is i think when im way older id want some of this wasted money back....with interest.

Barron

[AZK]

you just wanted to let everyone know that even though you are a girl, when it comes to poker you have a huge sack too.

[DcifrThs]

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if someone i bought from a store doesnt work...

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Jebus, what stores are you going to?

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LOL

[sawseech]

i used to wait until it gets dark
then tell a nuh to strip
i wanna see some birthmarks
like a ninja dressed in black with a ski mask
i'd take all the funds then run down the street fast

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yo V, thro some do' my way, i be po'

(random rap lyric: Big L: "breakin in cribs with a crowbar/i wasn't poor, i was po'/couldn't afford the "O" "R" ")

I have lurked in this forum for some time now. That said, I never would have pegged DcifrThs as a Big L fan.



tirame dinero. AHORITA!

seriously, i have the same kinda problem. i recently bought a norelco electric razor which doesn't work in the least. blows goats. its $165. i figure maybe i'll keep it for the [censored] of it and still pay $20 for mach3 power razors. similarly, i have an interview at lehman in NY next friday. am i really going to remember to ask waiters and taxi drivers for receipts for reimbersement?? luckily their travel department has a good system where they pay for my flight but if they didn't, id probably end up shelling out the dough and not get it back.

my problem is i think when im way older id want some of this wasted money back....with interest.

Barron

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[PugX]

If i saw my bankroll like real money, I would be to scared to continue play poker.

When I make a cashout it "transforms to real money" in my mind. It can feel really strange... The cashout is a rather small part of my bankroll which feels like nothing when on Internet..

"Ohh sh*t! That was a lot of real cash i got in my hand!" /images/graemlins/smile.gif

//Pug

[Leptyne]

I think you and I approach this pretty much the same way. That is when you're gambling with a $1K stack that comes and goes then how much respect can you have for a $30 expense?
Dinner, a bottle of nice wine, and extra $5 or $10 on the tip, these are not areas where you want to worry that you're being extravagant and wasteful.

Frivolous? Perhaps.

My wife still cuts coupons and searches the newspaper for bargains at the grocery store. I just go to the closest store.

I think your time and energy is better spent on figuring out ways to make more money. You can't save your way to prosperity, though saving and investing for the future is always wise.

On the other hand serious investments (not expenses) require careful consideration. Like taking care of your bankroll, or buying a piece of property.

Don't sweat the small stuff.

[DcifrThs]

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i used to wait until it gets dark
then tell a nuh to strip
i wanna see some birthmarks
like a ninja dressed in black with a ski mask
i'd take all the funds then run down the street fast

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nice...im a huge big l fan.

my fav is:

"[censored] all the glamor and glitz
i plan to be rich
im from NY and neva been a fan o' tha knicks
and im all about
expanding my chips
you mad 'cause i was in the van wit yo' bitch
wit my hands on her tits'
corleone hold the throne that you know in your heart
i got style plus the way that i be flowin is sharp
a while back i used to hustle, selling blow in tha park
countin g stacks and rockin ice that glow in tha dark
forever
hottie huntin trigger temper im quick to body sumthin
u lookin at me like im probly frontin
you [censored] around i throw 3 in your chest and flee my rest
i am. older and smarter this is me at my best
and hate hangin around ya'll.
'cause jiggas like you, be prayin on my downfall
hopin i stop, hope i get popped
you probly even hope i get locked
or be on a steet corner with a pipe, smokin the rock.
i got more riches than you, [censored] more bitches than you only thing i haven't got is more stiches than you
[censored] punk
you aint a leader WHAT?
nobody follows you, you was never [censored], your mother shoulda swallowed you
you on some tag along flunky yes man [censored]
do me a favor and please get on that next man dick
so if you say i can't [censored] with whoever, but your money up
put your jewels up, nah, [censored] it put your honey up
put your raggedy house up jigga, or shut your mouth up

before i buck lead, and cause a lotta blood shed
turn your tux red, far from broke got enough bread,
and mad hoes
ax beavis iget nothing BUT HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

and "i set treck on any cassete deck, im so ahead of my time my parents haven't met yet. "

Barron

[mgsimpleton]

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i used to wait until it gets dark
then tell a nuh to strip
i wanna see some birthmarks
like a ninja dressed in black with a ski mask
i'd take all the funds then run down the street fast

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nice...im a huge big l fan.

my fav is:

"[censored] all the glamor and glitz
i plan to be rich
im from NY and neva been a fan o' tha knicks
and im all about
expanding my chips
you mad 'cause i was in the van wit yo' bitch
wit my hands on her tits'
corleone hold the throne that you know in your heart
i got style plus the way that i be flowin is sharp
a while back i used to hustle, selling blow in tha park
countin g stacks and rockin ice that glow in tha dark
forever
hottie huntin trigger temper im quick to body sumthin
u lookin at me like im probly frontin
you [censored] around i throw 3 in your chest and flee my rest
i am. older and smarter this is me at my best
and hate hangin around ya'll.
'cause jiggas like you, be prayin on my downfall
hopin i stop, hope i get popped
you probly even hope i get locked
or be on a steet corner with a pipe, smokin the rock.
i got more riches than you, [censored] more bitches than you only thing i haven't got is more stiches than you
[censored] punk
you aint a leader WHAT?
nobody follows you, you was never [censored], your mother shoulda swallowed you
you on some tag along flunky yes man [censored]
do me a favor and please get on that next man dick
so if you say i can't [censored] with whoever, but your money up
put your jewels up, nah, [censored] it put your honey up
put your raggedy house up jigga, or shut your mouth up

before i buck lead, and cause a lotta blood shed
turn your tux red, far from broke got enough bread,
and mad hoes
ax beavis iget nothing BUT HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

and "i set treck on any cassete deck, im so ahead of my time my parents haven't met yet. "

Barron

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see now this is where i envisioned the thread going. not one liners like yeti's poor excuse for a response.

[captZEEbo1]

I'm a pretty cheap bastard IRL, except when it comes to food. I eat out a lot, but that's probably a laziness thing of making my own stuff. Other than that I'm really stingy. I still drive a crappy car, biggest purhace I've made since I started playing poker has been my 2001 fp and I kinda regret spending that much on a monitor =/.

[fnord_too]

I do pretty well not thinking about the value of money, only the game when I play and being concious of the value of money at all other times. I can't point to any one thing as to why I am able to do this; I guess I am just used to switching between the abstract and the concrete.

If this sort of thing interests you, read the work of Khaneman and Tversky. They have done tons of studies and have some great theories on why people make the decisions they do (and how people evaluate situations, which lead them to those curious decisions). People are probably tired of me recomending those guys, but their work is really great and has the bonus of being extremely applicable to poker and life.

[BobboFitos]

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i recently bought a norelco electric razor which doesn't work in the least. blows goats. its $165. i figure maybe i'll keep it for the [censored] of it and still pay $20 for mach3 power razors.

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I did the same. It's sitting in my bathroom. F it, I use mach 3.

[jetsonsdogcanfly]

i like to think of my bankroll in terms of hyundais. i think that helps. Wagering only part of a hyundai on a hand gives an extra degree of abstraction, which helps when moving up in stakes.

On the spending side, I avoid buying hyundais, but spending money now makes sense because i got plenty of years to save. Also investing in porn, gambling, tobacco, and other socially irresponsible stocks is +EV.

[DcifrThs]

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i recently bought a norelco electric razor which doesn't work in the least. blows goats. its $165. i figure maybe i'll keep it for the [censored] of it and still pay $20 for mach3 power razors.

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I did the same. It's sitting in my bathroom. F it, I use mach 3.

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tell me it serves some function...such a waste

Barron

[BobboFitos]

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i recently bought a norelco electric razor which doesn't work in the least. blows goats. its $165. i figure maybe i'll keep it for the [censored] of it and still pay $20 for mach3 power razors.

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I did the same. It's sitting in my bathroom. F it, I use mach 3.

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tell me it serves some function...such a waste

Barron

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Which did you get? I got the one with gel inserts, I thought it was nifty, so it did serve a purpose for a short time... Once I ran out of the gel packets, I was too lazy / didn't think it was worth it to buy more, so now it's just sitting there.

Truth is, my friends told me how much they prefer electric, so I bought it, but it's not a close enough shave (imo) as a mach3/other normal razor.

[rwanger]

I hear you duck. I have been pretty stingy with money all along. This year, when I realized how sick my hourly rate was (and have a real job anyway), my sense of money in the real world is all out of whack, because I see it in terms of "hours of poker".

Like: "Cingular is screwing me over and is going to charge me a $150 cancellation fee. I've already been down there 3 times and called them 3 times...so really if I spend over 2 hours on this (which I already have), it's a waste of my time. (so I'm letting it go)".

But then again, if I had those 3 hours back, would I have used them to play poker? Or was that coming out of regular work time ($20 an hour?).

The old me would be enraged about the $150. Now....meh.

I can't say I like where I'm headed psychologically with regards to this...what happens if in a few years I'm making $200 an hour? (and there are lots of you out there who could answer this). What IS worth your time anymore? If it takes you 30 minutes extra to find the cheapest flight, you better have saved over $100 from what you orignally found.

(Thankfully I've made peace with the conflict of "spending time with others" versus "I could have made $200 playing poker instead of watching that shitty movie". I'm always taking the social route when available. However, when I have to entertain myself, poker wins out over just about everything else...)

[jetsonsdogcanfly]

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I can't say I like where I'm headed psychologically with regards to this

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I got a birthday card from my grandma the other day. My reaction: sweet, half a bb!

That made me feel like a terrible person

[XChamp]

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Like: "Cingular is screwing me over and is going to charge me a $150 cancellation fee. I've already been down there 3 times and called them 3 times...so really if I spend over 2 hours on this (which I already have), it's a waste of my time. (so I'm letting it go)".

But then again, if I had those 3 hours back, would I have used them to play poker? Or was that coming out of regular work time ($20 an hour?).

The old me would be enraged about the $150. Now....meh.

I can't say I like where I'm headed psychologically with regards to this...what happens if in a few years I'm making $200 an hour? (and there are lots of you out there who could answer this). What IS worth your time anymore? If it takes you 30 minutes extra to find the cheapest flight, you better have saved over $100 from what you orignally found.

(Thankfully I've made peace with the conflict of "spending time with others" versus "I could have made $200 playing poker instead of watching that shitty movie". I'm always taking the social route when available. However, when I have to entertain myself, poker wins out over just about everything else...)

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I don't spend time on things that save me money but I hate doing and the money saved is significantly less than my winrate. Now, when it comes to something like buying a laptop, I don't mind spending a few hours doing some research to find a deal that saves me $100. This is because I'm semi-interested in computing and the info I learn can be useful later on.

Now, calling AOL and cancelling that [censored] $30/month plan I haven't used in over a year is something I have avoided for a long time. The last time I called they kept me on the phone for half an hour and it took me a few hours to calm down about the money grubbing bastards. I keep trying to convince myself I might need it if I ever enter a big tournament and my DSL goes down. I think I'm in denial.

[rwanger]

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I got a birthday card from my grandma the other day. My reaction: sweet, half a bb!

That made me feel like a terrible person

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lol!

Also, since I'm the oldest of my generation, I keep getting birthday cards with checks in them from my extended family.

Here's to hoping that everyone sends me a $27 check for my 27th birthday! I'll toss it to the center of the table as my next flop continuation bet.

[LuvDemNutz]

I didn't vote because I think it is POSSIBLE -

unfortunately I cannot do it.

[AZK]

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can't say I like where I'm headed psychologically with regards to this...what happens if in a few years I'm making $200 an hour? (and there are lots of you out there who could answer this). What IS worth your time anymore?

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You soon realize that nothing is worth your time. Over night shipping? Sure, why not. $5-$25 parking ticket for expired meter? Who gives a [censored]. Top shelf alcohol vs rail? Without question. All these things you would never splurge on before all of sudden become "normal". You start eating out a lot and not even blinking at a $10 burger. Anytime your friends want to do something "expensive" you are always game, but feel bad that not everyone can always go out and spend without thinking about it. You also start to buy ridiculous toys that are way excessive, they are fun for a few weeks, then they grow old while you buy something new. Currently, I'm in the stage of "Hmm, should I go out wtih you, dinner, drinks, whatever else, what is that five hours? Nah, not really worthy my time, I'd rather make a thousand. " That's where it gets really gross. You have to realize that everything in moderation. SOmetimes, you DO have to go out with people even if you won't enjoy that time as much as 5 tabling, just to get out and breath. The list goes on and on, but these are some of the things I think about on a daily basis.

In relation to poker, so this thread kinda stays on track, I found out that I played much better/trickier/unpredictable/dangerous when I was overrolled for the limits. There were times when I used to play 5/10 on a $8 - 10k roll, all of your decisions are very tight and obvious. You get out of line never. Now that I'm overolled for 5/10, I can experiment more, do crazier things, launch ridiculous bluffs, etc... in short your game grows and you learn what does/doesn't work, otherways to manipulate opponents, get them to fold the best hand, and even more important, extract razor thin value bets (more important than bluffing imo) etc... The downside of being overolled, is that if you aren't careful (speaking from personal experience), you can develop a mindset of, "it doesn't matter if you have x and I have y, you aren't going to pay $1000 to see the next card". This can get very ugly, very fast.

[KingDan]

I know see some people real cheap that play high stakes poker.

It doesn't feel like real money.

[r3vbr]

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can't say I like where I'm headed psychologically with regards to this...what happens if in a few years I'm making $200 an hour? (and there are lots of you out there who could answer this). What IS worth your time anymore?

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You soon realize that nothing is worth your time. Over night shipping? Sure, why not. $5-$25 parking ticket for expired meter? Who gives a [censored]. Top shelf alcohol vs rail? Without question. All these things you would never splurge on before all of sudden become "normal". You start eating out a lot and not even blinking at a $10 burger. Anytime your friends want to do something "expensive" you are always game, but feel bad that not everyone can always go out and spend without thinking about it. You also start to buy ridiculous toys that are way excessive, they are fun for a few weeks, then they grow old while you buy something new. Currently, I'm in the stage of "Hmm, should I go out wtih you, dinner, drinks, whatever else, what is that five hours? Nah, not really worthy my time, I'd rather make a thousand. " That's where it gets really gross. You have to realize that everything in moderation. SOmetimes, you DO have to go out with people even if you won't enjoy that time as much as 5 tabling, just to get out and breath. The list goes on and on, but these are some of the things I think about on a daily basis.

In relation to poker, so this thread kinda stays on track, I found out that I played much better/trickier/unpredictable/dangerous when I was overrolled for the limits. There were times when I used to play 5/10 on a $8 - 10k roll, all of your decisions are very tight and obvious. You get out of line never. Now that I'm overolled for 5/10, I can experiment more, do crazier things, launch ridiculous bluffs, etc... in short your game grows and you learn what does/doesn't work, otherways to manipulate opponents, get them to fold the best hand, and even more important, extract razor thin value bets (more important than bluffing imo) etc... The downside of being overolled, is that if you aren't careful (speaking from personal experience), you can develop a mindset of, "it doesn't matter if you have x and I have y, you aren't going to pay $1000 to see the next card". This can get very ugly, very fast.

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nice post...

[KaneKungFu123]

im not going to waste time to make/save money when i can make 10X as much just playing poker.

but with something like a plane ride, ill still fly coach just because i dont think its that big a deal.

i dont spend too much money, but i eat out probably 20 times/month minimum. its cheap here, though.

i think there is a difference between spending alot of money and having a good time, and wasting money like a donkey.

[Sponger15SB]

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i eat out probably 20 times/month minimum

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pffft, cheap ass.

Signed,
Broke Ass Sponger

[rwanger]

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i dont spend too much money, but i eat out probably 20 times/month minimum. its cheap here, though.


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You're in Thailand right? I'm not sure you CAN spend the kind of money you're making.

Unless, you bought an island and flew us all down there and formed an online poker clique/cult.

I believe this is what seperates a good player that will go broke from a great player that will not go broke. On the table, you need a disregard for money so you will be focused on making the correct decision every hand, no matter how much it costs. If you carry this disregard for money off of the table, you will spend/blow all your winnings and find yourself broke. Many a pro struggle with this problem every day.

[KINGOFINLAND]

I have habbit of using some money on clothes, eating out, travelling, etc. In my opinion you shouldn't see it as a spending, but instead it's long term +ev to remind you why you are working so much. Other positive thing is, I find it easier to play more hands when you do other things aswell to keep your head straight.

[Niwa]

word. although I use too much on clothes..

[KaneKungFu123]

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Unless, you bought an island and flew us all down there and formed an online poker clique/cult.

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You mean bring a bunch of pasty fat guys in Thailand?

[rwanger]

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You mean bring a bunch of pasty fat guys in Thailand?

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Pasty: yes.
Fat: not so much.

Doesn't the stress of NL keep us thin?

Where in Thailand anyway? I was there for a month in 2000. Loved it!

[KaneKungFu123]

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You mean bring a bunch of pasty fat guys in Thailand?

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Pasty: yes.
Fat: not so much.

Doesn't the stress of NL keep us thin?

Where in Thailand anyway? I was there for a month in 2000. Loved it!

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BKK for work.

Nong Khai, Nakhon Phanom, Lopburi, Phucket for vacation.

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You mean bring a bunch of pasty fat guys in Thailand?

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Pasty: yes.
Fat: not so much.

Doesn't the stress of NL keep us thin?

Where in Thailand anyway? I was there for a month in 2000. Loved it!

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BKK for work.

Nong Khai, Nakhon Phanom, Lopburi, Phucket for vacation.

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The food is great I bet, and you probably have a low cost of living. You like living there so far?

[The Don]

This girl came over the other night... yada yada yada... the next morning her car was towed from my lot. Instead of listening to her bitching I just gave her $200 to get out of my face.

[rwanger]

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This girl came over the other night... yada yada yada... the next morning her car was towed from my lot. Instead of listening to her bitching I just gave her $200 to get out of my face.

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Is that story the old "she wasn't a hooker" bluff??