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Tommy Angelo
10-19-2005, 08:17 AM
$80-160. I openraised on the button with pocket nines. The small blind folded and the big blind called. I estimate his rate of calling here at 50%. And he almost never threebets against me in this spot, even with big pairs and big aces.
The flop was K-10-2 rainbow. He checked, I bet, he called.
The turn was a jack. He checked and I checked.
The river was a queen. He checked and I checked.
He showed pocket sixes.
stigmata
10-19-2005, 08:24 AM
Not sure how he plays postflop, but if he can call down light, isn't there a river value bet/fold?
daryn
10-19-2005, 08:24 AM
are you folding the river if he bets? can he ever bet the river without an ace?
otherwise, looks right
DcifrThs
10-19-2005, 08:27 AM
i like it till the river. he'll call w/ set/2pair etc. and if he check calls the nuts, good for him.
i usually bet idiot straights when checked to by the player you describe. unless he really fears you (i.e. drives your probability of holding the winner when called down well below 50%. or he would set you up here, where if he doesn't fold, the ONLY other act would be a c'r, which you now have to fold to) id say value bet.
Barron
BarronVangorToth
10-19-2005, 08:46 AM
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value bet.
Barron
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Justin A
10-19-2005, 09:27 AM
Did you check because you didn't think he'd call with a worse hand often enough, or did you do it for metagame reasons?
Smoothcall
10-19-2005, 11:00 AM
Most people bet the river in his spot if they have the ace. You should bet the river! The rest of the hand i like the way you played it.
mplspoker
10-19-2005, 11:52 AM
Not betting this river is horrible. Tommy please jump online and play the 20 and 30 games on party poker, i look forward to seeing you..... and good luck.
Victor
10-19-2005, 12:23 PM
why dont you just go play 80-160 with him. your earn should be comparable to 4tabling party.
rigoletto
10-19-2005, 12:40 PM
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i like it till the river. he'll call w/ set/2pair etc. and if he check calls the nuts, good for him.
i usually bet idiot straights when checked to by the player you describe. unless he really fears you (i.e. drives your probability of holding the winner when called down well below 50%. or he would set you up here, where if he doesn't fold, the ONLY other act would be a c'r, which you now have to fold to) id say value bet.
Barron
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I actually think Tommy is correct in chekking this river. The calling hands you mention are not likely given the action and he might even c/r with them a good portion of the time. The pot is to small to give him that upportunity.
Sully
10-19-2005, 12:53 PM
If his rate of calling is really at 50%, then he could easily be playing a hand like T7 or J8, and I don't think you want to risk giving a hand like that a free showdown.
Bet the river and fold to a check raise.
andyfox
10-19-2005, 12:58 PM
"Not betting this river is horrible."
How do you know? What leads you to believe Tommy will be called by a worse hand?
mplspoker
10-19-2005, 01:38 PM
trust me i would if i lived anywhere close.. although 6-8 tabling party is way more profitable no doubt.
mplspoker
10-19-2005, 01:43 PM
i'll bet and call a check/raise everytime... I could be wrong but this is how i play it headsup
astroglide
10-19-2005, 01:48 PM
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i'll bet and call a check/raise everytime... I could be wrong but this is how i play it headsup
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i really need to start checkraising obvious boards more often
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"Not betting this river is horrible."
How do you know? What leads you to believe Tommy will be called by a worse hand?
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Arrogance does that.
J.A.Sucker
10-19-2005, 01:59 PM
I guess there's a reason that everyone is winning online.
ggbman
10-19-2005, 02:01 PM
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I guess there's a reason that everyone is winning online.
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You say this because many online players are advocating a bet here?
J.A.Sucker
10-19-2005, 02:09 PM
No. Because people are into going crazy with a small pot when there's a four-straight and no action, and you have the low end. If the guy has 2 pair, he'll likely call the river, so a bet is probably right, but close. But calling a checkraise is stupid. I play online and know that people give way too much action. I also play this game and know that they don't.
ggbman
10-19-2005, 02:19 PM
How often do people check an A here live? Online it's basically never.
BarronVangorToth
10-19-2005, 02:27 PM
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a bet is probably right, but close.
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True. Those that say checking this is "horrible" or whatever are overstating the situation. As I said above, I believe this is a spot to make a value bet, but it's certainly a close decision.
Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com
mplspoker
10-19-2005, 03:40 PM
thats my point.. never. online they will check/raise with less than an ACE too.. give me a break...
mplspoker
10-19-2005, 03:41 PM
online it isn't even close IMO.
Justin A
10-19-2005, 07:03 PM
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online it isn't even close IMO.
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Well when this situation comes up in a post about an online game, we'll know who to ask for advice.
Leaky Eye
10-19-2005, 07:18 PM
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How often do people check an A here live? Online it's basically never.
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I would check an A to some players here. Its probably my only chance to get money out of them. If his hand had less showdown value he might have bet.
baronzeus
10-19-2005, 07:55 PM
i think the biggest question here is how often does he slowplay 2 pair/a set on the flop. i think its not worth a bet on the river in this case because, especially against you, i think he's calling with almost nothing you beat.
flawless_victory
10-19-2005, 08:01 PM
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How often do people check an A here live? Online it's basically never.
[/ QUOTE ]more likely online than live.
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