Misplaced Aggression?

[Scuba Chuck]

Seat 1: ludg1221 (1170 in chips)
Seat 2: MartyJ75 (1590 in chips)
Seat 3: franchised (1665 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: MEGUMIJR (1620 in chips)
Seat 5: AzClay (2230 in chips)
Seat 6: Scuba Chuck (1465 in chips)
Seat 7: Golf10NY (1815 in chips)
Seat 8: rzanew (1125 in chips)
Seat 9: Kryton (820 in chips)
AzClay: posts small blind 25
Scuba Chuck: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Scuba Chuck [Jd 8d]
Golf10NY: folds
rzanew: folds
Kryton: calls 50
ludg1221: folds
MartyJ75: folds
franchised: folds
MEGUMIJR: raises 50 to 100
AzClay: calls 75
Scuba Chuck: calls 50
Kryton: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [3d Kd Js]
AzClay: checks
Scuba Chuck: checks
Kryton: checks
MEGUMIJR: bets 300
AzClay: folds
Scuba Chuck: raises 1065 to 1365 and is all-in

sorry missread the hand. ill post updated comment

[curtains]

Definitely not misplaced. I would have folded this preflop in a sit and go, but calling is not terrible of course.

[Scuba Chuck]

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You know nothing about villans hand's and you stick your all your money against 4 players still awaiting to act with MIDDLE PAIR (awefulest kicker)

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If you hurry up, you can change your post.

Edit: By the way, I do know something about villain's hand.

[curtains]

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You know nothing about villans hand's and you stick your all your money against 4 players still awaiting to act with MIDDLE PAIR (awefulest kicker)

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I think the flush draw may have affected Scuba's decision as well...

[TruFloridaGator]

I call all day w/ a deep stack. Probably depends on my mood postflop. I will do this though and it's not bad at all, unless he turns over KJ /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[MHarris]

You're rarely worse than a coinflip here, and you're often a small favorite, plus you have some FE. How much FE you have is the question, since villain can possibly have a pretty wide range of hands. I'm not in love with the play (at least in a SNG), but I don't think it can be more than slightly bad.

That said, I fold preflop.

I like your line much better if it was 3 handed tops, against so many opponents it is very likely that they will not fold.

In addition, I think that MEGUMIJR: bets 300 this play in particular against 4 opponents generally means a made hand.
so it seems that your fold equity here is less then expected.

[TruFloridaGator]

I certainly call PF, going to get 7:1 w/ deep stacks even OOP, but I get away from it unless it's this kind of flop. So if are going to call, then I would certainly play it aggressively postflop. I don't think there is much FE. What level is this?

[Big Limpin']

I like it very much

[Scuba Chuck]

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I call all day w/ a deep stack.

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I thought about calling, but I did some quick math in my head, and didn't care for the size of my stack if I wiffed.

[TruFloridaGator]

I agree about the made hand, so you're even money and in that case I may not take a cf in this situation, starting to back away....

[TruFloridaGator]

Yup..7:1, why play the deep stacks if you don't make some of these calls?

[MHarris]

My bad. Didn't see the other limper in there. I should put the vodka away now.

[Scuba Chuck]

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What level is this?

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This was a $50+5

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I will do this though and it's not bad at all, unless he turns over KJ

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I might actually have some FE against this hand.

[Scuba Chuck]

One thing I think about in this hand, what is the better line postflop?

In this hand, against Top pair only, I'm 50/50. On the flop, there's 200 dead chips. I think this play makes more sense with a check raise, if there is not too much action in front of me.

An alternate line is to lead out here, and I would think calling a raise is also correct. I just like the added potential of some FE here, especially considering the action comes from the button.

How are my thoughts?

I play it this way too.

[TruFloridaGator]

I think c/r is certainly the best option, especially if you are trying to get it in, then at least you have FE. If you bet out & he comes over, then you have none.

[Bigwig]

I like it.

[Scuba Chuck]

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I like it.

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OK. I feel better now. It really felt good when I had two callers, both with KQo, and I improved. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Deuce2High]

Scuba, I would fold this preflop. But if I misclicked or was tilting and called I would definatly play it the way that you did on the flop.

PS.... I never tilt in SnGs...

[TruFloridaGator]

Why are your throwing away 7:1 pf w/ deep stacks? I really see this is a benefit to playing deep stacks.

[TruFloridaGator]

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I like it.

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OK. I feel better now. It really felt good when I had two callers, both with KQo, and I improved. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Perfect.

[zambonidrivr]

I LOVE THESE KIND OF TABLES. NH

[GtrHtr]

I feel funny about posting to your hands now that you are <font color="blue"> BLUE </font> but here goes:

PF, I like the call but don't always make it at this level of blinds, usually a bit earlier.

Post flop, I like it to a point. I usually will do this when the blinds are a little higher and do it more often on the bubble when I'm in the BB.

NH <font color="blue"> Scuba Chuck </font>

[pooh74]

hmmmm. Don't mind the call pF with this kind of hand...the problem with this kind of hand is that you're more often than not only playing a draw on the flop, so it almost has to go down the way it did. I mean essentially, the PF call only makes sense if you are going to play these kinds of flops agressively...otherwise you should fold PF. (IOW, 7-1 pf isnt enough for JJx, JJ8, 88x, ddd, 9T7 flops) So essentially, considering your PF action, this flop CR makes TOTAL sense. I would give myself 12-13 outs on this flop with the pot bet and with the dead money and maybe 15% FE on your CR, I'd say this push is definitely +cEV and slightly less +$EV.

I wouldnt play it any differently which is why I was skeptical as to whether I liked it or not. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[adanthar]

The PF call is questionable, but postflop is automatic, get the chips in. I'd also accept bet/3 bet but only if you thought they could raise and still fold to a push.

[valenzuela]

I would have played the flop just like you did, You have 14 outs unless youre up against some huge hand.
He wont call with a J and he might as well fold a weak king.

I like your thoughts here.