$55 AT hand...

[ace_in_the_hole]

I'm putting him on a weaker A.

***** Hand History for Game 2897390141 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16694669 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Tuesday, October 18, 21:37:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 67935 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: full_house83 ( $780 )
Seat 3: seanyb0y16 ( $2550 )
Seat 4: LOSMAN475 ( $460 )
Seat 5: ConnorHenry ( $1355 )
Seat 7: automatonz ( $840 )
Seat 8: JungleSun ( $2035 )
Seat 10: Dogz_Bollox1 ( $1980 )
Trny:16694669 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to full_house83 [ Th Ad ]
ConnorHenry folds.
automatonz folds.
JungleSun calls [50].
Dogz_Bollox1 folds.
full_house83 raises [180].
seanyb0y16 folds.
LOSMAN475 folds.
JungleSun calls [130].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 9s, 2s ]
JungleSun bets [200].
full_house83 is all-In [600]

[Slim Pickens]

[ QUOTE ]
full_house83 raises [180].

[/ QUOTE ]
why?

[pineapple888]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm praying he has a weaker A.

[/ QUOTE ]

fyp

[ace_in_the_hole]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
full_house83 raises [180].

[/ QUOTE ]
why?

[/ QUOTE ]
I read the table as tight and the limper has gotten off a limp twice befre that I have noticed. I figure his cold call is a smaller-suited A. I think his bet on the flop help confirm my read.

[Bigwig]

Yeah, I don't like your preflop raise here. Not at this blind level. In an MTT, sure. But not here. I would limp behind, and play the hand. But, I think you're right to push here. Generally, I would put him on a weak A and/or a small pp that didn't set.

[kyro]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm putting him on a weaker A.



[/ QUOTE ]

If this is the case, then what's the point of the post.

If you're going to give out specific reads in situations like this, you need to be prepared to see those reads through. If you end up being wrong, it's not how you play your hands that needs improvement, it's your hand reading.

And I fold PF.

[downtown]

[ QUOTE ]
And I fold PF.

[/ QUOTE ]

I fold PF too, no need to get fancy here.

[bluefeet]

[ QUOTE ]
If you're going to give out specific reads in situations like this, you need to be prepared to see those reads through. If you end up being wrong, it's not how you play your hands that needs improvement, it's your hand reading.


[/ QUOTE ]

golden

[Bigwig]

What's this fold preflop business? He's on the button, ya bunch of tight a**es.

[ace_in_the_hole]

I don't think I'm good/tight enough to throw this away yet, but I guess it is nice to know that people are playing VERY tight and still winning.

[Bigwig]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't think I'm good/tight enough to throw this away yet, but I guess it is nice to know that people are playing VERY tight and still winning.

[/ QUOTE ]

There's no good reason I can see for throwing AT away, on the button, with one previous limper from the CO, of all places.

It's not a leak to play this hand, although in a STT I wouldn't raise it with your chip stack and the blinds 25/50.

However, I do think it's a leak to muck here. It's way too tight. Too many players round here trying to forge a diamond in their colon.

[downtown]

[ QUOTE ]
What's this fold preflop business? He's on the button, ya bunch of tight a**es.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, you're right, I wasn't looking at position, duh. I would limp once in a while to mix it up, but not raise. Limping and folding are about equal in my book, but I hate raising. By raising you're asking to play a big pot... with AT. Eww.

[Bigwig]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
What's this fold preflop business? He's on the button, ya bunch of tight a**es.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, you're right, I wasn't looking at position, duh. I would limp once in a while to mix it up, but not raise. Limping and folding are about equal in my book, but I hate raising. By raising you're asking to play a big pot... with AT. Eww.

[/ QUOTE ]I agree, but in an MTT, I'm raising this 3/4 of the time. Maybe more.

[Slim Pickens]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
full_house83 raises [180].

[/ QUOTE ]
why?

[/ QUOTE ]
I read the table as tight and the limper has gotten off a limp twice befre that I have noticed. I figure his cold call is a smaller-suited A. I think his bet on the flop help confirm my read.

[/ QUOTE ]

OK. So you want to isolate a weak limper. That not a bad plan. This may not be popular, but if you're going to isolation-raise, just push. If you think he'll limp-call with an ace and worse than ten (and also not too worried he's limp AJ, AQ, TT, or JJ), you don't want him missing the flop and folding when you're a 3:1 favorite preflop.

I really dislike playing raised pots with marginal hands postflop. It's just asking to make a huge mistake. Pushing preflop may be a small mistake, but it's always going to be the last one you make in a hand.

[runner4life7]

I fold this, its not even suited, yuck.

I am not putting in 1/4 of my stack on a raise with AT, maybe I'm too tight, but I can get chips with better spots earlier/later in the game.

[Hendricks433]

I would maybe limp here. But putting a player on a Weak Ace cause he limped in is a horrible leak IMO. You put your opponents on a range of hands and narrow it down as the hand progresses.

[John Hurst]

[ QUOTE ]
I fold this, its not even suited, yuck.

I am not putting in 1/4 of my stack on a raise with AT, maybe I'm too tight, but I can get chips with better spots earlier/later in the game.

[/ QUOTE ]

What he said.

[Deuce2High]

Easy preflop fold for me.

[zambonidrivr]

HEY BIG, why in a MTT?

[zambonidrivr]

can you please explain why this is a raise in a MTT and not a STT? Thanks

[zambonidrivr]

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS?

[Pudge714]

In MTT's there are longer blind levels and you are generally deeper. In STT you can't afford to play flops with marginal hands in early levels.

[zambonidrivr]

Understood. But you still have A10 which is extremely marginal. At best a call is warrented. I think raising is donkish.

[MegaBet]

You can get in a LOT of trouble with hands like this...

[Bigwig]

[ QUOTE ]
HEY BIG, why in a MTT?

[/ QUOTE ]

Dude, you only need to ask once. I'm not on the board 24 hours a day. Give me a chance to reply.

In an MTT, the payout structure is less flat. Typically the Top 10% get paid, as opposed to the Top 30%. Additionally, the final table is usually where the 'real' money is at. Therefore, you must build a stack in MTT's in order to cash big. In a STT, you can often cash, or finish 2nd, by winning only one big hand. Sometimes you don't even need to do that. That is why STT strategy is much tighter than cash game or MTT play.

In an MTT, you do not want to pass up edges. Maybe some small ones early, but certainly not late. And this is an edge. ATo is almost certainly the best hand when you're facing one limper and it's from the CO. Also, you have position if called.

And I still say that everyone folding this hand is too goddamn tight.

[ferb]

"It's not a leak to play this hand, although in a STT I wouldn't raise it with your chip stack and the blinds 25/50.

However, I do think it's a leak to muck here. It's way too tight. Too many players round here trying to forge a diamond in their colon. "


I agree with this but i think limping assures me of playing a 4 handed pot with no idea where i am either. any keen player at the table can determine my hand strength based on the fact that i limped on the button. i think a raise to 200 is standard with a good chance of picking up 125 chips without seeing a flop. next best would be both blinds folding and being heads up with the original limper in position.