View Full Version : Absolute raking from pots that never see a flop
Magikist
10-18-2005, 12:38 PM
Absolute Poker is now raking out of pots that simply get folded around. Is this the industry norm? I can't recall ever seeing this before.
In addition, though the max rake does not seem to have gone up, they are maxing in smaller pots (less than 1 BB, so almost EVERY pot is maxxed).
The upshot of this is that short games, and especially heads up, have now become prohibitively expensive. This new change smacks of sheer, unaldulterated greed.
The only bright side is that bonus whores may clear bonuses faster (but lose more to the rake in the process).
hmm, I wonder if you have rakeback what the consequences are. where did you hear this information?
jrz1972
10-18-2005, 02:02 PM
This would definitely suck if true. Surely there are some people playing there this afternoon that can verify.
theblitz
10-18-2005, 02:05 PM
Do you have an example?
As far as I know this is not true.
So many hands get folded around there, they probably had to get rake from somewhere...
Xcalibur
10-18-2005, 02:24 PM
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The only bright side is that bonus whores may clear bonuses faster (but lose more to the rake in the process).
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If this is true, then there is probably no brightside since to get a point count towards bonuses, the rake must be minimum 0.25.
Are you talking after a flop is seen? Doesn't every site have a "no flop" "no drop" policy?
Below are our rake tables. The standard rake at a full table is 5% up to $3. It is our policy not to charge a rake if there is no flop ("no flop no drop").
Fixed Limits
Table Limit # of Players Rake Collected
$0.02/$0.04 2 or more $0.01 for each $0.20 in pot, maximum $0.10
$0.10/$0.20 2 or more $0.05 for each $1.00 in pot, maximum $0.25
$0.25/$0.50 2 or more $0.05 for each $1.00 in pot, maximum $1.00
$0.50/$1.00 2 or more $0.10 for each $2.00 in pot, maximum $1.00
$1.00/$2.00 2 or more $0.25 for each $5.00 in pot, maximum $2.00
$2.00/$4.00 2 to 3 $0.50 for each $10.00 in pot, maximum $1.00
$2.00/$4.00 4 to 5 $0.50 for each $10.00 in pot, maximum $2.00
$2.00/$4.00 6 or more $0.50 for each $10.00 in pot, maximum $3.00
$3.00/$6.00 2 to 3 $0.50 for each $10.00 in pot, maximum $1.00
$3.00/$6.00 4 to 5 $0.50 for each $10.00 in pot, maximum $2.00
$3.00/$6.00 6 or more $0.50 for each $10.00 in pot, maximum $3.00
$5.00/$10.00 2 to 3 $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $1.00
$5.00/$10.00 4 to 5 $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $2.00
$5.00/$10.00 6 or more $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $3.00
$10.00/$20.00 2 to 3 $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $1.00
$10.00/$20.00 4 to 5 $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $2.00
$10.00/$20.00 6 or more $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $3.00
$15.00/$30.00 2 to 3 $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $1.00
$15.00/$30.00 4 to 5 $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $2.00
$15.00/$30.00 6 or more $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $3.00
$25.00/$50.00 2 $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $1.00
$25.00/$50.00 3 $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $2.00
$25.00/$50.00 4 or more $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $3.00
$50.00/$100.00 2 $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $1.00
$50.00/$100.00 3 $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $2.00
$50.00/$100.00 4 or more $1.00 for each $20.00 in pot, maximum $3.00
No Limit and Pot Limit
Table Limit # of Players Rake Collected
All Limits 2 to 3 $0.05 for each $1.00 in pot, maximum $1.00
All Limits 4 to 5 $0.05 for each $1.00 in pot, maximum $2.00
All Limits 6 or more $0.05 for each $1.00 in pot, maximum $3.00
I just copied this from AP a minute ago.
This info is not updated. I'm watching the "new" 75/100 table (50/100 is no longer available with the latest software upgrade) and the rake is $5!!!
kiddj
10-18-2005, 02:46 PM
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It is our policy not to charge a rake if there is no flop ("no flop no drop").
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I've seen this happen at least 2 times today. It was at limit $0.50/1 and $1/2.
Also the points towards the bonus are not accumulating for every hand that they should.
It's pretty bad when your making millions and try to nickle and dime people to death. If this crap conitues less people will play poker.
F them and the horse they rode in on!
jrz1972
10-18-2005, 03:01 PM
Any chance this is just a software glitch?
Has anybody written to AP on this?
I just witnessed a No Flop But a drop a minute ago at the 75/150 table. Everyone folded till the button raised and the SB and BB folded, rake of $2.
F'em ALL
Entity
10-18-2005, 03:08 PM
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Any chance this is just a software glitch?
Has anybody written to AP on this?
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I'm certain it's a glitch of some sort. A company with a reputation for helping their players out like absolute doesn't just decide to inrease the rake 6x overnight for no good reason.
Rob
jfresh
10-18-2005, 03:08 PM
its gotta be a bug or something, i just saw a 5/10 game, button raised, SB and BB both folded, button takes the entire pot.
dealer_toe
10-18-2005, 03:17 PM
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It's pretty bad when your making millions and try to nickle and dime people to death. If this crap conitues less people will play poker.
F them and the horse they rode in on!
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I don't think Absolute is doing as good as you think. A lot of their money goes to bonuses and affiliates. As well as overhead
No bug about it. It's only happening on the 75/150 table.
Just saw this thread so I went to look - the poker room manager just came in and said they're fixing it and it only effects the 75/150 tables. He offered everyone effected a spot in a freeroll.
The poker room manger spoke in the chat saying there is an error and the people at the table will get a freeroll plus some money added to compensate for there screw up. I guess a software "upgrade" is coming soon.
primetime32
10-18-2005, 03:35 PM
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Absolute Poker is now raking out of pots that simply get folded around. Is this the industry norm? I can't recall ever seeing this before.
In addition, though the max rake does not seem to have gone up, they are maxing in smaller pots (less than 1 BB, so almost EVERY pot is maxxed).
The upshot of this is that short games, and especially heads up, have now become prohibitively expensive. This new change smacks of sheer, unaldulterated greed.
The only bright side is that bonus whores may clear bonuses faster (but lose more to the rake in the process).
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i am noticing that the bonus account isnt reflecting the amount of hands that i am playing.
kiddj
10-18-2005, 03:42 PM
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i am noticing that the bonus account isnt reflecting the amount of hands that i am playing.
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I noticed the same thing. I emailed support, no response yet.
primetime32
10-18-2005, 03:52 PM
Bonus counter is definitely off. And i have signed on and off a couple of times today and noticed that they had a "new update" download each time. So there is definitely something going on. I am sure it will all work out in the end, just have to be patient.
arkady
10-18-2005, 04:12 PM
I have a somewhat reliable source telling me that this is indeed a bug. They are feverishly working to fix it.
imported_azalin
10-18-2005, 06:14 PM
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i am noticing that the bonus account isnt reflecting the amount of hands that i am playing.
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I noticed the same thing. I emailed support, no response yet.
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They changed it to contributed rake (i saw this in another post) .. Other hands dont count towards the bonus. Yes it sucks.
primetime32
10-18-2005, 06:29 PM
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i am noticing that the bonus account isnt reflecting the amount of hands that i am playing.
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I noticed the same thing. I emailed support, no response yet.
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They changed it to contributed rake (i saw this in another post) .. Other hands dont count towards the bonus. Yes it sucks.
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where did you see that? that changes everything over there.
edit: I just saw it over at bonuswhores. Its not official yet, but its not looking good.
I suppose that since they don't deduct the bonuses from the MGR this isnt THAT big of a deal. but it still sucks.
silencio
10-18-2005, 06:48 PM
Hey PokerEveryDay, can you tell the guys up there in managment to add some 2+2 books to the AP shop ?
DeezNutz3
10-18-2005, 07:24 PM
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The poker room manger spoke in the chat saying there is an error and the people at the table will get a freeroll plus some money added to compensate for there screw up. I guess a software "upgrade" is coming soon.
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I was playing this 75/150 game and was assured we would get compensated by a freeroll or something of that nature. It was assured that it was a software glitch and the increase rake is just to be comparable to other sites big limits (party $5 rake I assume). They also said the 50/100 game will be back.
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In addition, though the max rake does not seem to have gone up, they are maxing in smaller pots (less than 1 BB, so almost EVERY pot is maxxed).
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How do you have a pot less than 1 BB?
Is this when the BB forgets to post, but the SB posts anyways and folds?
Or are you playing 1 max tables and only posting a SB?
jman220
10-18-2005, 08:00 PM
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In addition, though the max rake does not seem to have gone up, they are maxing in smaller pots (less than 1 BB, so almost EVERY pot is maxxed).
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How do you have a pot less than 1 BB?
Is this when the BB forgets to post, but the SB posts anyways and folds?
Or are you playing 1 max tables and only posting a SB?
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BB= Big bet, which is 2x the big blind, meaning a folded around Small blind and Big Blind would be .75 BB, or less than a BB.
Ummm.. yeh... My mistake.. I definately should not play this tired. thanks for pointing it out /images/graemlins/laugh.gif
oreogod
10-18-2005, 09:42 PM
You must not play goot. I can easy overcome a rake that is equal to 24 percent of each pot.
Seriuosly though, no way was this intentional...if it was no one is going to be playing on AP w/ in 2-3 weeks. Even the fish will leave, whether they are aware or not, they will notice that u just cant beat the game.
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Hey PokerEveryDay, can you tell the guys up there in managment to add some 2+2 books to the AP shop ?
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LOL, there store is pretty weak.
primetime32
10-18-2005, 10:22 PM
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Hey PokerEveryDay, can you tell the guys up there in managment to add some 2+2 books to the AP shop ?
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LOL, there store is pretty weak.
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http://www.pokerheads.net/store/images/Mark_Seif_Small.gif
oreogod
10-18-2005, 10:32 PM
Question...the HHs look fine but when u import them into PT it displays a huge rake...like HH says 1 dollar rake for the hand...put PT counts a five dollar rake being taken out WTF is with that?
If the HHs are fine, why is PT displaying a larger than normal rake?
bandfan
10-18-2005, 10:35 PM
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Question...the HHs look fine but when u import them into PT it displays a huge rake...like HH says 1 dollar rake for the hand...put PT counts a five dollar rake being taken out WTF is with that?
If the HHs are fine, why is PT displaying a larger than normal rake?
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i wish i knew. my numbers are not right for my net profit/loss and the rake is massive. the raked hands counter has also maxed at 182 the last two sessions i played.
Too bad there isn't a place to post these issues where the designer of the program might see them. O well. Guess we'll just have to live with it.
Or maybe even here. (http://www.pokertracker.com/forum/)
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Hey PokerEveryDay, can you tell the guys up there in managment to add some 2+2 books to the AP shop ?
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LOL, there store is pretty weak.
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http://www.pokerheads.net/store/images/Mark_Seif_Small.gif
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U know, there new 75/150 table is called Mark Seif who I have seen play on there before. Is he the pro for AP?
dlk9s
10-19-2005, 12:06 AM
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U know, there new 75/150 table is called Mark Seif who I have seen play on there before. Is he the pro for AP?
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Yes. He won two bracelets at this year's WSOP.
daryn
10-19-2005, 04:31 AM
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Hey PokerEveryDay, can you tell the guys up there in managment to add some 2+2 books to the AP shop ?
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LOL, there store is pretty weak.
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http://www.pokerheads.net/store/images/Mark_Seif_Small.gif
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jrz1972
10-19-2005, 08:12 AM
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They changed it to contributed rake (i saw this in another post) .. Other hands dont count towards the bonus. Yes it sucks.
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Are you sure about this? When I played last night I cleared the bonus at my usual rate.
kiddj
10-19-2005, 08:42 AM
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They changed it to contributed rake (i saw this in another post) .. Other hands dont count towards the bonus. Yes it sucks.
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Are you sure about this? When I played last night I cleared the bonus at my usual rate.
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They were making updates yesterday afternoon (ET). It was screwed up then. It's working correctly now, their support says so, and other posters have confirmed.
flair1239
10-19-2005, 10:51 AM
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They changed it to contributed rake (i saw this in another post) .. Other hands dont count towards the bonus. Yes it sucks.
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Are you sure about this? When I played last night I cleared the bonus at my usual rate.
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They were making updates yesterday afternoon (ET). It was screwed up then. It's working correctly now, their support says so, and other posters have confirmed.
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As of midnight CST last night, my bonuses were clearing the same way as always. Unless there was a change made this morning?
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