Kotz U/O's

[lorinda]

A few simple Under/Over's for people to guess at.

Players: 55
Running Time: 198 minutes
Winners Stars initial: A-L or M-Z
Defending champ (Me this time) finishing position: 22(under=better placing, over=worse placing)
Defending fish (Miah this time) finishing position: 24
Position of best placed first timer: 4
The Boss (Simon Diamond) finishing position: 25
The Bag (GrannyMae) finishing position: 26
True to the end? (DavidGzesh finishing pos): 30
Champ or Chimp (OC's finishing position):27
Ain't no Sunshine..(MSS's finishing pos):21
Extra dents in MSS's keyboard inflicted during tourney: 2
Repeat finalists: 3
Repeat cashes: 1.5
Number of posts by winner: 260
Number of players whose Stars name is the recognisable as their 2+2 name (KURN is recognisable for instance): 28

Happy guessing,

Lori

[Simon Diamond]

Good work, do you mind if I post these on the site so we can keep a track of them?

Simon

[dogsballs]

I think MS will place better than that, Lori. Where do I place this wager?... /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[lorinda]

Of course Simon..I deliberately worded a few with a view to them being longer term lines.

Dogsballs, These are for entertainment only, I'm hoping people will try to guess them all, and we can have a top tipster for a bit of fun.

Lori

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Hmmm. I'll have to think about these.

Funny story: I'm at Foxwoods on Saturday for the weekly Limit HE tourny. During a break, some guy in the men's room comments on my Paradise Poker T-shirt and asks me my screen name. I tell him and he says, "Kurn. K-U-R-N" I say yeah, he says "don't let Lorinda beat you again!"

There's my 15 minutes. /forums/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Simon Diamond]

If people put together their answers to lorinda's under/overs, we could make a little league or something - A point for each correct guess.

I'm going to sit down and have a go at them later this week, hope some others do too. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

Simon

[Simon Diamond]

Just a quick question Lori - if I wanted to go with the exact number you posted, for instance number of repeat finalists = 3, would I put over or under? Or just put the same?

Simon

[Myrtle]

I just took a quick check on the results from the 1st tournament, & not for nuthin....I don't see a whole bunch of dead money there. So......Given pretty much nothing but the strong play that I saw when playing last time, trying to handicap the next one is gonna be somewhat of a shot in the dark, doncha think?

[jasonHoldEm]

Players: 55
Under...I'd love to be wrong though

Running Time: 198 minutes

Over?

Winners Stars initial: A-L or M-Z

I'll take A-L.

Defending champ (Me this time) finishing position: 22(under=better placing, over=worse placing)

Under...come on 22?

Defending fish (Miah this time) finishing position: 24

Over (Although he'll still do better than I would if I were playing)

Position of best placed first timer: 4

Over

The Boss (Simon Diamond) finishing position: 25

Under...Go Simon Go!

The Bag (GrannyMae) finishing position: 26

Way under

True to the end? (DavidGzesh finishing pos): 30

Over...I'd like to add my own related to this one..."Additional number of KotZ tournaments before David angles to move it to True - 2" (I think we'll end up keeping it at Stars, but it would be interesting to hear his offer)

Champ or Chimp (OC's finishing position):27

hmmm...is fishy playing too? /forums/images/icons/tongue.gif
I'll say champ (under).

Ain't no Sunshine..(MSS's finishing pos):21

Will he be aranging his windows correctly this time? I say under for Cathead John.

Repeat finalists: 3

Over

Repeat cashes: 1.5

Over

Number of posts by winner: 260

Over

Number of players whose Stars name is the recognisable as their 2+2 name (KURN is recognisable for instance): 28

Under

Good luck to all who are playing...Iwill be watching from the rail. I can't wait for Limit in July (I just hope I'm not in the middle of moving).

[lorinda]

Not sure how you should handle the draws Simon.. In American betting it's a no-bet, however after this month, maybe we could make a scoring system where _I_ get the points if I nail the spread dead on, Ill keep posting the lines though, and leave everyone else to sort the rules.

One thing that I will adjust for though is that personally If you wanted a fun league or something, I'd use the British system of +1 point for each point you are correct, and -1 for each point you are wrong, this would require me to move some of the lines... The number of posts line for instance, 260 or so is about right, but if people got more points for winners with 1000 posts then obviously the line would have to be a bit higher to adjust for it.

At the moment, Ive assumed the lines would cover an evens bet with dead-on as no bet.

Lori

[FeliciaLee]

Players: 55

Under

Running Time: 198 minutes

Under

Winners Stars initial: A-L or M-Z

A-L

Defending champ (Lorinda this time) finishing position: 22(under=better placing, over=worse placing)

Under

Defending fish (Miah this time) finishing position: 24

Over

Position of best placed first timer: 4

Over

The Boss (Simon Diamond) finishing position: 25

Under

The Bag (GrannyMae) finishing position: 26

Under

True to the end? (DavidGzesh finishing pos): 30

Under

Jason:...I'd like to add my own related to this one..."Additional number of KotZ tournaments before David angles to move it to True - 2" (I think we'll end up keeping it at Stars, but it would be interesting to hear his offer)

Felicia says: Under 2 (lol)

Champ or Chimp (OC's finishing position):27

Over

Ain't no Sunshine..(MSS's finishing pos):21

Under

Repeat finalists: 3

Over

Repeat cashes: 1.5

Over

Number of posts by winner: 260

Under

Number of players whose Stars name is the recognisable as their 2+2 name (KURN is recognisable for instance): 28

Over

/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif (jest) Felicia asks: Chance that OC has to pay the $50 on head: 99%

Felicia says: over

Felicia asks: chance that Granny has to pay the additional $20: 99%

Felicia says: over

Felicia asks: chance that Granny has to pay the river bad beat $20: 99%

Felicia says: over

[RiverMel]

It simply will happen. (Unless for some reason "most improved" is not awarded to those who win $.) I can't go 2 in a row with that poor a result, it never happens. I will also get OC's bounty.

[GrannyMae]

Felicia asks: chance that Granny has to pay the river bad beat $20: 99%

Felicia says: over

paying this double bounty would give me greater pleasure than having mason over for a naked, cheese fondue session.

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[Simon Diamond]

Stop it Granny, you are killing me! - I'm supposed to be working /forums/images/icons/blush.gif

Simon

[Simon Diamond]

Players that cash will not be eligible for the Most Improved Player award. Should be interesting to see who gets it.

Simon

[Simon Diamond]

If you could implement and score such a system Lori, then go for it. I don't really understand it all to be honest - I'll stick to the KotZ stats /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

Simon

[Simon Diamond]

Here are my guesses -

Players: 55
Under

Running Time: 198 minutes
Over

Winners Stars initial: A-L or M-Z
A-L

Defending champ (Me this time) finishing
position: 22(under=better placing, over=worse placing)
Under

Defending fish (Miah this time) finishing position: 24
Over

Position of best placed first timer: 4
Under

The Boss (Simon Diamond) finishing position: 25
Over

The Bag (GrannyMae) finishing position: 26
Under

True to the end? (DavidGzesh finishing pos): 30
Under

Champ or Chimp (OC's finishing position):27
Over

Ain't no Sunshine..(MSS's finishing pos):21
Under

Extra dents in MSS's keyboard inflicted during
tourney: 2
LOL

Repeat finalists: 3
Under

Repeat cashes: 1.5
Under

Number of posts by winner: 260
Under

Number of players whose Stars name is the recognisable as their 2+2 name (KURN is recognisable for instance): 28
Wont answer this - as I am privy to the user names

Simon

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[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Here we go:

Players: 55
Over

Running Time: 198 minutes
Under

Winners Stars initial: A-L or M-Z
A-L

Defending champ (Me this time) finishing position: 22(under=better placing, over=worse placing)
Under

Defending fish (Miah this time) finishing position: 24
Under

Position of best placed first timer: 4
Over

The Boss (Simon Diamond) finishing position: 25
Under

The Bag (GrannyMae) finishing position: 26
Under

True to the end? (DavidGzesh finishing pos): 30
Over

Champ or Chimp (OC's finishing position):27
Under

Ain't no Sunshine..(MSS's finishing pos):21
Over

Extra dents in MSS's keyboard inflicted during tourney: 2
Way Over

Repeat finalists: 3
Under

Repeat cashes: 1.5
Under

Number of posts by winner: 260
Over

Number of players whose Stars name is the recognisable as their 2+2 name (KURN is recognisable for instance): 28
Over

[dogsballs]

Players that cash will not be eligible for the Most Improved Player award

I'm a shoe-in then. The bubble is my favourite position, though I came runner up to miah for fish award last time. You just can't bet against me for this one.

Woof.

[Simon Diamond]

Here is a quick recap of the rules for the new MIP award for KotZ II -

a) To be eligible you must have appeared in the previous KotZ edition (KotZ I in this case obviously).

b) Players who place in the money in the present KotZ edition (KotZ II) will not be eligible.

c) The points system is based on the ranking points system. The person who scores the biggest improvement on their points from one tournament to the next receives the award.

For example - Player A scores 85 points in KotZ I, scores 650 points in KotZ II, thus their MIP points score is +565.

Good luck to all who placed lowly last time /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Simon

[lorinda]

Ill be running this one as a test run, but I intend to run it as a monthly competition of some kind.

Do people prefer the over/under american style (that is, you are either right, or wrong) or british style (That is more points the more right you are)
I think the British system is probably more fun for next month, and Ill get in touch with SD when I have come up with something that makes sense.

Lori

[RollaJ]

right wrong, there are 2 choices over or under, anyone posting opinions as to actuals are just having fun IMHO

[lorinda]

Just to clarify Rollaj.

In the USA you got odds of say 19/20 on the under and the over, so if you bet 20 units "under" lorinda and lorinda wins then you win 19 units.

In England you pick "under" lorinda at 22, lorinda wins the tourney , you win 21 units, lorinda comes 54th you lose 33 units.

Lori

[Martin Aigner]

These are the results of the austrian jury:

Players: 55
Over

Running Time: 198 minutes
Over

Winners Stars initial: A-L or M-Z
A-L

Defending champ (Me this time) finishing
position: 22(under=better placing, over=worse placing)
Under

Defending fish (Miah this time) finishing position: 24
Under

Position of best placed first timer: 4
Over

The Boss (Simon Diamond) finishing position: 25
Under

The Bag (GrannyMae) finishing position: 26
Under

True to the end? (DavidGzesh finishing pos): 30
Under

Champ or Chimp (OC's finishing position):27
Under

Ain't no Sunshine..(MSS's finishing pos):21
Under

Repeat finalists: 3
Over

Repeat cashes: 1.5
Over

Number of posts by winner: 260
Under

Number of players whose Stars name is the recognisable as their 2+2 name (KURN is recognisable for instance): 28
Under

Good luck to everybody in the tourney

Martin Aigner

[ohkanada]

Players: 55

over


Running Time: 198 minutes

over


Winners Stars initial: A-L or M-Z

over


Defending champ (Me this time) finishing position: 22

under


Defending fish (Miah this time) finishing position: 24

over


Position of best placed first timer: 4

over


The Boss (Simon Diamond) finishing position: 25

over


The Bag (GrannyMae) finishing position: 26

under


True to the end? (DavidGzesh finishing pos): 30

under


Champ or Chimp (OC's finishing position):27

over


Ain't no Sunshine..(MSS's finishing pos):21

under


Extra dents in MSS's keyboard inflicted during tourney: 2

over


Repeat finalists: 3

under


Repeat cashes: 1.5

under


Number of posts by winner: 260

over


Number of players whose Stars name is the recognisable as their 2+2 name (KURN is recognisable for instance): 28

under

Good luck,
Ken Poklitar

[Martin Aigner]

Hi Ken,

"Winners Stars initial: A-L or M-Z

over"

What´s higher than Z in the canadian alphabet? /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

Best regards

Martin Aigner

[eMarkM]

Players: 55
over

Running Time: 198 minutes
under

Winners Stars initial: A-L or M-Z
since I'll be winning, it's A-L, of course

Defending champ (Me this time) finishing position: 22
under

Defending fish (Miah this time) finishing position: 24
under

Position of best placed first timer: 4
under

The Boss (Simon Diamond) finishing position: 25
under

The Bag (GrannyMae) finishing position: 26
under

True to the end? (DavidGzesh finishing pos): 30
under

Champ or Chimp (OC's finishing position):27
under

Ain't no Sunshine..(MSS's finishing pos):21
under..detect a pattern here...I'm just such a nice guy

Extra dents in MSS's keyboard inflicted during tourney: 2
under

Repeat finalists: 3
under

Repeat cashes: 1.5
over

Number of posts by winner: 260
over

Number of players whose Stars name is the recognisable as their 2+2 name (KURN is recognisable for instance): 28
under

[Simon Diamond]

The Boss (Simon Diamond) finishing position: 25
under

I have to admire your optimism, but if I finish better than 25th it will be a miracle. I haven't played any poker since KotZ I, and the quality of these fields are very high.

I shall try my best none the less.

Simon

[TruePoker CEO]

"Jason:...I'd like to add my own related to this one..."Additional number of KotZ tournaments before David angles to move it to True - 2" (I think we'll end up keeping it at Stars, but it would be interesting to hear his offer)" ....

Had not really thought about that. I am more interested in playing and road-testing Pokerstars' tourney and ring game features.

(I'll take the over on where I'll finish. I'd say about 1/3 from the bottom.)

My Pokerstars name will be NoPlayer, as it did not seem appropriate to use Truepoker CEO on their turf.

David Gzesh

[rusty JEDI]

"under" lorinda

Sounds like a winner to me. Maybe i will be king of the zoo without even winning the tourny.

[Jim Kuhn]

Below are my guesses.................

A few simple Under/Over's for people to guess at.

Players: 55 OVER
Running Time: 198 minutes UNDER
Winners Stars initial: A-L or M-Z A-L
Defending champ (Me this time) finishing position: 22 UNDER
(under=better placing, over=worse placing)
Defending fish (Miah this time) finishing position: 24 OVER

Position of best placed first timer: 4 OVER
The Boss (Simon Diamond) finishing position: 25 OVER
The Bag (GrannyMae) finishing position: 26 UNDER
True to the end? (DavidGzesh finishing pos): 30 OVER
Champ or Chimp (OC's finishing position):27 UNDER
Ain't no Sunshine..(MSS's finishing pos):21 UNDER
Extra dents in MSS's keyboard inflicted during tourney: 2 OVER

Repeat finalists: 3 UNDER
Repeat cashes: 1.5 UNDER
Number of posts by winner: 260 UNDER
Number of players whose Stars name is the recognisable as their 2+2 name (KURN is recognisable for instance): 28 OVER

Happy guessing,

Lori

[ohkanada]

Ooops.

Make that M-Z /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Ken Poklitar