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pokerjoker

10-17-2005, 10:15 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 ($209.05)
MP3 ($107.20)
CO ($334.45)
Button ($214.25)
SB ($269.85)
BB ($187)
UTG ($347.35)
UTG+1 ($30.30)
Hero ($137.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 4 folds, SB (poster) raises to $19, 1 fold, Hero calls $14.

Flop: ($42) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $30, SB calls $30.

Turn: ($102) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $50, Hero calls $85.45 (All-In), SB calls $37.45.

River: ($276.90) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $276.90

Bukem_

10-17-2005, 10:22 PM

Turn bet is real ugly.

And yes you go broke here.

10-17-2005, 10:22 PM

Once you see that flop your goal is to get all his money in, even if the turn card is a spade

Your preflop call is marginal, I would have liked it more if you had a full stack

Weatherhead03

10-17-2005, 10:23 PM

What is with the turn?

10-17-2005, 10:31 PM

Just want to know your reasoning for betting 30 and then coming back with a 2 dollar bet. What does the turn bet of so damn low do?

element00

10-17-2005, 10:46 PM

why not bet $40 on the flop? on the turn I'd really consider folding, but chances are unlikely he has a flush draw. he have AA?

BlackRain

10-17-2005, 11:31 PM

I don't like the call PF. You are above the 5/10 rule. Flop bet looks fine. Turn bet is just .... /images/graemlins/confused.gif
You call all in and go broke here. If he has AA, so be it. You'll probably see AK with a spade a majority of the time, KK and QQ a few times also.

Isura

10-17-2005, 11:54 PM

I think this bad beat post was avoidable. Seriously, use a normal post title so you get unbiased advice.

afreeman

10-18-2005, 12:03 AM

First, you could make an argument for dropping this PF.

We know that villain re-raised hard from OOP pre-flop, so he is probably on two types of hands: either he has a AK or weak pair and wants to take it down now (maybe 1/3 of the time), or he has aces/kings. I can't see any hands here that include a flush draw; even KQs would be too weak to pull that move here, unless villain is maniacal.

With that in mind, what about checking behind on the flop and then pushing on the turn to anything up to a PSB?

In this case, the flush card probably helps you, since it will be a scare card to villain.

pokerjoker

10-18-2005, 12:51 AM

Also....turn minraise was an accident...I was planning a normal raise here thoiugh

element00

10-18-2005, 12:56 AM

I'm not sure why I said thinking about folding turn, eff dat, call or push in. whatever

mason55

10-18-2005, 01:11 AM

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With that in mind, what about checking behind on the flop and then pushing on the turn to anything up to a PSB?

In this case, the flush card probably helps you, since it will be a scare card to villain.

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Gotta bet that flop. How do you expect to get paid off on your set if you're just checking behind on the flop?

On the turn, you're not using that spade as a scare card. No better hand is folding. I guarantee he is not folding a set of aces here. Plus you don't know the spade is coming, so that logic is kind of backwards.

Hero obviously lost to AA. Set over set, move on, next hand.