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10-17-2005, 09:54 PM
Should this have been played any differently? Only read on villian was that he was loose passive. 45/0/0.42 What hand do you put him on?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.20 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB
Weatherhead03
10-17-2005, 10:00 PM
I check behind on that river. There is a slight chance he is calling down with A high or another PP but more often than not he has hit something.
bozlax
10-17-2005, 10:01 PM
Well, since you posted it, I put him on something like Q8s, maybe A/images/graemlins/diamond.gifT/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. I probably check behind on the river against those sort of stats, with 2 overcards, a pair and 3 to a flush on the board.
shant
10-17-2005, 10:38 PM
Check the river.
10-17-2005, 10:47 PM
I can't imagine him laying much down here. A check behind would seem standard to me.
10-18-2005, 12:03 PM
agreed, I should have checked the river. If I run into a situation like this again I will. I put him on A-something no flush draw. discounted A-K, A-J, A-8 as even the dimmest player would raise with a flush or a set of K's or 8's. I wasn't too far off. He had AQo. Sometimes I need to be reminded to never bluff a calling station. Duh!
TomBrooks
10-18-2005, 02:50 PM
Yep, check the river. Only a super fish would call with a hand you beat.
DCWildcat
10-18-2005, 02:55 PM
Check behind on the river. Also, cut off the fact that he calls your river bet. Including that can skew the results
pokernicus
10-18-2005, 03:49 PM
I agree with other people that a check-behind on the river is right. I think this is especially true in the present case when another King falls on the river.

Sometimes a bad enough player might play the way villain did through the turn with a small/mid pocket pair. (I say bad enough because from his perspective, your most likely holdings are a bigger pocket pair AK, AQ, or KQ -- which beat any pocket pair). So, in general, you can probably already discount his holding any small/medium pocket pair at this point.

However, even if you were willing to consider the small/medium pocket pair possibility, the King on the river counterfeits any pair 77s and smaller, so you wouldn't get a call there. Therefore, the range of worse hands that villain might call with is all the more small.