Is this chip dumping?

[rusty JEDI]

I reported it to party as chip dumping what do you think. Notice the call to the turn bet, could the chip dumper have had two worse cards. I highlighted each players hole cards at the bottom of the HH.

Anyone think party will actually do anything about it?

Do you think the support at party has a clue about what chip dumping is?







You have recently requested your transcript of the game number 7027xxxx.
***** Hand History for Game 7027xxxx *****
100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (Tournament 394028) - Sun Jun 01 16:41:09 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 1090 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: kerrfor3 (1060)
Seat 2: bj218 (65)
Seat 4: vgt19 (120)
Seat 6: <font color="red">Chipdumper</font color> (2555)
Seat 7: Me (2145)
Seat 8: <font color="blue">Chipreceiver</font color> (325)
Seat 9: davpat (1730)
davpat posts small blind (50)
kerrfor3 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ME [ Ks, 3d ]
bj218 folds.
vgt19 folds.
<font color="red">Chipdumper</font color> calls (100)
ME folds.
<font color="blue">Chipreceiver</font color> calls (100)
davpat calls (50)
kerrfor3 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ah, Qd, Kc ]
davpat checks.
kerrfor3 checks.
<font color="red">Chipdumper</font color> checks.
<font color="blue">Chipreceiver</font color> bets (100)
davpat folds.
kerrfor3 folds.
<font color="red">Chipdumper</font color> calls (100)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7h ]
<font color="red">Chipdumper</font color> checks.
<font color="blue">Chipreceiver</font color> bets (125)
<font color="blue">Chipreceiver</font color> calls all-In.
<font color="red">Chipdumper</font color> calls (125)
Dealing : [ 8h ]
Creating Main Pot with $850 with <font color="blue">Chipreceiver</font color>
** Summary **
Main Pot: 850 |
Board: [ Ah Qd Kc 7h 8h ]
kerrfor3 balance 960, lost 100 (folded)
bj218 balance 65, didn't bet (folded)
vgt19 balance 120, didn't bet (folded)
<font color="red">Chipdumper</font color> balance 2230, lost 325 <font color="red">[ 3c 2s ]</font color> [ high card ace -- Ah,Kc,Qd,8h,7h ]
ME balance 2145, didn't bet (folded)
<font color="blue">Chipreceiver</font color> balance 850, bet 325, collected 850, net +525 <font color="blue">[ 5h Ad ]</font color> [ a pair of aces -- Ad,Ah,Kc,Qd,8h ]
davpat balance 1630, lost 100 (folded)

[dux]

It does seem strange, the preflop call that is. The question is, was this player any good? If he was a player who would call with any two, and who would bluff any time, I could see him just playing bad poker. The A5o was of course quite reaonable. Find any ace, and check call.

I don't think they could do anything in this instance.

[rusty JEDI]

why would the chipdumper call 125 chips, with 23 offsuit on a board of AKQ7

[dux]

This is another stupid dux post. I got the bettor and caller mixed up. Yeah, this looks very much like chip dumping.

[Simon Diamond]

I'm no expert on poker strategy, but that seems like a very poor play with 2-3. The preflop call could be attributed to hitting the wrong button (or hallucinations perhaps), but the calls on the flop and turn seem insane.

Let us know the results rusty.

Simon

[Miah]

What exactly is the problem with chip dumping, does the motivation behind it stem from malicious actions?

[Hung]

Why would anyone call with 23o?
You ask me. why would anyone RAISE with it!

Look at this:

<pre><font class="small">code:</font><hr>***** Hand History for Game 70634531 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable - Mon Jun 02 03:59:28 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 1416 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: MaxVo ( $56.30)
Seat 2: AHDOC ( $50.20)
Seat 3: chuckchili ( $26.35)
Seat 4: JoeMorris ( $200.50)
Seat 5: UHA8ME2 ( $22.75)
Seat 6: Bandit27 ( $21.25)
Seat 7: naruto ( $23) this is me
Seat 8: Boneman13 ( $46)
Seat 9: fontenot ( $28.50)
Seat 10: CN_Side_You ( $24.90)
CN_Side_You posts small blind (0.25)
MaxVo posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to naruto [ As, Qd ]
AHDOC raises (2)
chuckchili folds.
JoeMorris calls (2)
UHA8ME2 folds.
Bandit27 folds.
naruto raises (5)
Boneman13 folds.
fontenot folds.
CN_Side_You folds.
MaxVo folds.
AHDOC calls (3)
JoeMorris calls (3)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6h, 2c, 4d ]
AHDOC checks.
JoeMorris checks.
naruto bets (18)
naruto calls all-In.
AHDOC calls (18)
UHA8ME2: i need some damn cards
JoeMorris calls (18)
Creating Main Pot with $66.75 with naruto
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3s ]
AHDOC bets (27.20)
AHDOC calls all-In.
MaxVo: i saw u this morning or so playing at stars in .50/1.00 nl game ...pots looked tiny and .25/.50 pots were like 4-6 bucks ..brahaha
JoeMorris folds.
Dealing : [ Ac ]
Creating Side Pot 1 with $27.20 with AHDOC
** Summary **
Main Pot: $66.75 | Side Pot 1: $27.20 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 6h 2c 4d 3s Ac ]
MaxVo balance $55.80, lost $0.50 (folded)
AHDOC balance $93.95, bet $50.20, collected $93.95, net +$43.75 [ 3c 2s ] [ two pairs, threes and twos -- Ac,3c,3s,2s,2c ]
chuckchili balance $26.35, didn't bet (folded)
JoeMorris balance $177.50, lost $23 (folded)
UHA8ME2 balance $22.75, didn't bet (folded)
Bandit27 balance $21.25, didn't bet (folded)
naruto balance $4, lost $23 [ As Qd ] [ a pair of aces -- As,Ac,Qd,6h,4d ]
Boneman13 balance $46, didn't bet (folded)
fontenot balance $28.50, didn't bet (folded)
CN_Side_You balance $24.65, lost $0.25 (folded) </pre><hr>

[dux]

I'm not sure I understand your question about malicious actions, but the problem with chip dumping to your freind is it gives them a greater chance of winning the tournament, presumably when the two of them playing independantly have a smaller chance of making money from the tournament.

[Miah]

Ah yes, this is a tournament. Boy does that make the entire issue a lot clearer.

I'll remember to get at least 4 hours of sleep before posting again.

[dux]

You only have to read my first post on this thread to realise that it happens to the best of us. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

[Mike Haven]

i think Chipdumper is a limp-any-two player who doesn't understand cards or odds and who has been getting lucky so far, so he thinks he is hot

after the flop he thinks his huge chip lead can hardly be damaged by his only opponent so he calls Chipreceiver's bet which he thinks would have come whatever flopped

he thinks if he pairs he might win, so why not?

same thoughts on the turn bet - if Chipreceiver had had a few chips left and bet the river, Chipdumper would have folded with no pair

(he looks like a typical sunrise 20-40 player - have a look if you don't believe me - they won't allow me to request hand histories there any more - you often see a river raise and reraise called by a fourth player with 95o on a KQJ 8 7 board - and what makes it even more interesting tv is that the 95o shows his hand as proudly as if it was a bad beat)

[Sarge85]

I don't think this is a dump. If they are working together, I would think that the lesser would dump his player who has more of chance winning. Why bleed your chips to the loosing player. If they knew he was on his way out, I'd think they try to get the remainder of chips to the one who has more to work with.

[GrannyMae]

he thinks if he pairs he might win, so why not?

there are exactly two possible explanations here. no more, no less.

either he was chip dumping, or as michaels says above, he thinks any pair might be good at eliminating chipreceiver.

if support finds that these 2 play often together, i would think something is fishy. if support finds nothing, then it is probably exactly what michael says

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