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10-17-2005, 06:55 PM
This is my first post, I have read the posting guidelines but if I am missing something or if you need more info just let me know.

Unfortunately I have no specific read on Villain here.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>.

Flop: (5.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (5.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero...

Final Pot: 7.75 BB
TheKentock
10-17-2005, 06:58 PM
Raise. What are we afraid of here? With 2 pair, it's going to take more than one donkbet to slow me down. I say call a 3-bet if it comes, but you can cap it too, if he really likes his TPTK.
bozlax
10-17-2005, 06:58 PM
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...River: (5.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero...

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

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What options are you trying to decide between?
10-17-2005, 07:00 PM
Think calling a raise with JTo is a bit loose without any reads and maybe even with reads. I think you have to call the river, but I'd expect to see two pair Aces up with either Tens or sevens. If the villian is a calling station, then I'd expect Aces. If my read was that villian IS a calling station, I'd raise for a value bet expecting to see only aces.
NobodysFreak
10-17-2005, 07:00 PM
fold pre-flop. Having said that, I think you played the flop and turn fine. Since UTG+1 raised this pre-flop and bet when the ace falls on the river I might be inclined to re-raise here. I think we'll see AK or AQ here more than we'll see AA, AJ, or AT. Without reads, however, calling isn't a bad play, but I think we're ahead often enough to raise.
aces_dad
10-17-2005, 07:01 PM
The HH and post look fine. Welcome to the forum.

Without knowing the river action can't tell if it's questionable. I would say the PF call with J10o is questionable vs an UTG+1 raise ...

I'd raise the river and call a 3bet.
10-17-2005, 07:04 PM
This is a terrible preflop call. Without reads I probably fold KQo and AJo here, but I am kind of weak-tight preflop like that (also that's at 1/2 and 2/4 don't know how different the .5/1 games play). Raise the river. He has AK/AQ like 100% of the time here, once in a while you'll get unlucky and he'll have AJ or a very poorly played AA or JJ.

EDIT: Just saw another post, he might have KQ. AK/AQ is still far more likely so I think raise is still on.
TheKentock
10-17-2005, 07:04 PM
I would say that questionable is a little generous. EP raise, no callers, and unsuited connectors is just bad news. As a rule, being the first cold-caller is a bad place to be, especially with these cards.
aces_dad
10-17-2005, 07:05 PM
You're from PDX right? From the loc; you must listen to KXL ... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

I 2bet here against almost all players as TPTK / TPDK is more likely than aces up here. I just call a 3bet though for that reason. I don't think a LP will 2bet pf with A7 or A10 from UTG+1 often and anyone who does 2bet pf with that hand will lead the flop HU after catching any piece of the flop. This makes me think my middle 2pair is most likely beating TP at the river.
aces_dad
10-17-2005, 07:06 PM
Yeah it's a fold PF, used the term 'questionable' since that's what he labeled the river. I would consider the PF questionable as in, "why did you do that?"
TheKentock
10-17-2005, 07:08 PM
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I would consider the PF questionable as in, "why did you do that?"

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haha, good question.
billymonk
10-17-2005, 07:08 PM
Raise and call a 3-bet. I think unless Villian already had a monster, or KQ we would have already heard from him.

At low limits like this you'll see players raising preflop, then calling down with AK or AQ hoping they'll still be best if they hit one of their two.
10-17-2005, 07:13 PM
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Yeah it's a fold PF, used the term 'questionable' since that's what he labeled the river. I would consider the PF questionable as in, "why did you do that?"

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Yeah I know, my PF play was pretty stupid, I realize that and I understand my mistake there.
10-17-2005, 07:14 PM
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...River: (5.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero...

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

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What options are you trying to decide between?

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Call v. Raise
aces_dad
10-17-2005, 07:14 PM
Hey that's why you're here. So what'd you do on the river and why?
10-17-2005, 07:19 PM
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The HH and post look fine. Welcome to the forum.

Without knowing the river action can't tell if it's questionable. I would say the PF call with J10o is questionable vs an UTG+1 raise ...

I'd raise the river and call a 3bet.

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Thank you.
I raised the river and called his 3bet.
10-17-2005, 07:22 PM
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Hey that's why you're here. So what'd you do on the river and why?

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I raised and called his 3bet. I had him either on AK or AQ. He shows AA.
aces_dad
10-17-2005, 07:25 PM
I 2 bet for that reason and don't cap, since he's now representing aces-up or better.

Post-flop, I play it the same way.