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Ray_bob

10-17-2005, 06:41 PM

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

10-17-2005, 06:42 PM

You got lucky he 3-bet you.. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I would advocate a C/C line to the river.

lautzutao

10-17-2005, 06:45 PM

Is villian unknown? How do we know he's betting the ace here? What about middle pair or 3-betting the flush draw?

Have you seen villian bet crazy on Middle pair/ small pocket pair in the past?

An ace on the board does not mean we wilt up and die immediately...

Ray_bob

10-17-2005, 06:53 PM

i wish i had a read however im multi-tabling and thats the price i pay

10-17-2005, 06:56 PM

Yeah these are tough. Once you get 3 bet I think you have to call down. Usually I just straight call these down without a read. Let him bluff if he has a lower pair, you lose the least if he has an ace, and you never fold the best hand.

TheKentock

10-17-2005, 06:59 PM

Or you can go with the WA/WB line, this appears to be the perfect time for such a line.

DCWildcat

10-17-2005, 09:21 PM

fold to the 3-bet. he's not 3-betting anything you beat here.

pokertracker is gold for these situations. if you're playing .5/1, it'll pay for itself in a week.

Rayek

10-17-2005, 10:21 PM

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Or you can go with the WA/WB line, this appears to be the perfect time for such a line.

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I read this alot, and I know that this means Way ahead/Way behind, but could someone please explain to me what this line is? Why is this a good line in this situation? Thanks.

numeri

10-17-2005, 10:32 PM

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Or you can go with the WA/WB line, this appears to be the perfect time for such a line.

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I read this alot, and I know that this means Way ahead/Way behind, but could someone please explain to me what this line is? Why is this a good line in this situation? Thanks.

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Try the search feature. It's basically when we're either way ahead or way behind, and each is equally likely. In that case, we can simply call down in position or check/call, check/call, bet if we're out of position. I'm not sure if this hand fits the bill.

shant

10-17-2005, 10:37 PM

This hand isn't a way ahead or way behind situation. If the opponent has a flush draw, or something like a pair and a gutshot, you are not way ahead.

numeri

10-17-2005, 10:37 PM

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This hand isn't a way ahead or way behind situation. If the opponent has a flush draw, or something like a pair and a gutshot, you are not way ahead.

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Agreed.

10-17-2005, 10:54 PM

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I read this alot, and I know that this means Way ahead/Way behind, but could someone please explain to me what this line is? Why is this a good line in this situation? Thanks.

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The classic WA/WB line occurs when you're HU, out of position and you are either ahead and your opponent is drawing to few outs, or you are behind and you are drawing to few outs.

In this case, if he has an A and you're way behind, but if he doesn't you would be way ahead if we ignore the flush draw. Of course, we can't, so I don't think WA/WB technically applies here, but I'd proibably play the hand the same.

OP, the line goes check/call the flop & turn, and bet the river. In this case you have position, so simply call down. If he checks anywhere along the line, bet (assuming a Diamond doesn't show up). Here's (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2206499&page=&view=&sb=5& o=&fpart=all&vc=1) more.