3 Handed... He Limp-Reraises Me?!

[KingDan]

119 6max turbo on stars

Shortstack is just sitting there not do anything, waiting to bust.
Limp was not unusual... our blind battles were kind of 'peaceful' no big pots.
Villian seems like a good player.
I have been checking my option.
Seat 2: Kingdan(4435 in chips)
Seat 5: shortstack(780 in chips)
Seat 6: Villian(3785 in chips)
Villian: posts small blind 75
KingDan: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KingDan[Ah Kh]
shortstack: folds
Villian: calls 75
KingDan: raises 300 to 450
Villian: raises 3335 to 3785 and is all-in

What do you need to call here? I'm not sure how often I can expect villian to be completely donking around.

[bawcerelli]

I'm a donk, but I'd call it. You still have a shot at 2nd even if you lose.

[applejuicekid]

What are the payouts? An ICM calculation would be interesting.

[Wu36]

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What are the payouts? An ICM calculation would be interesting.

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payouts:
429
231

btw, I probably call on principle.

[bigt439]

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btw, I probably call on principle.

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Great reason!

[illegit]

Turbo call. Is this a donk move if he has AQ or AJ 3-handed? Kind of, but not terribly. Add in the times he's REALLY donking it up (even if it's not very often) and I think this is a call.

[mmbt0ne]

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What do you need to call here?

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[KingDan]

I folded, and felt like a total pussy.

I think its a call.

[applejuicekid]

OK...according to ICM

if you fold = .4402
if you call and win = .624
if you call and lose = .1832

so,

.4402 = (.624)(x) + (1-x)(.18332)
x = 0.583

AK doesn't do this well against villains hand does it?

In reality I think I would fold, and I think ICM agrees with this.

[KingDan]

Just an idea... since a hand this good is may be a fold (its close) this could be a possible move against certain 2+2ers.

[tigerite]

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OK...according to ICM

if you fold = .4402
if you call and win = .624
if you call and lose = .1832

so,

.4402 = (.624)(x) + (1-x)(.18332)
x = 0.583

AK doesn't do this well against villains hand does it?

In reality I think I would fold, and I think ICM agrees with this.

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For fold I get 0.4434, for call/win 0.6265, for call/lose 0.1917. Are you sure you're using 0.65/0.35/0 ?

By the way it's a call if he's pushing 44+,A9o,A7s+,KQs. Which I think's a bit too wide here for you to call.

[applejuicekid]

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OK...according to ICM

if you fold = .4402
if you call and win = .624
if you call and lose = .1832

so,

.4402 = (.624)(x) + (1-x)(.18332)
x = 0.583

AK doesn't do this well against villains hand does it?

In reality I think I would fold, and I think ICM agrees with this.

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For fold I get 0.4434, for call/win 0.6265, for call/lose 0.1917. Are you sure you're using 0.65/0.35/0 ?

By the way it's a call if he's pushing 44+,A9o,A7s+,KQs. Which I think's a bit too wide here for you to call.

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Hmmmm....yeah I did do .65/.35/0 let me recheck my numbers maybe I got the stack sizes wrong.

I used:

folds: 3985, 780, 4235
call + win: 8220, 780
call + lose: 650, 780, 7570

Maybe this is where my problem is?

[tigerite]

Folds isn't 4235. 4435 (preflop) - 150 (blind) - 300 (raise).

Unless you're doing it in reverse, in which case, you're forgetting to give 4235 (which is Villian?) 75 from the 780 stack.

[tigerite]

Ugh. I seem to have got the order messed up. Oh well your figures are probably right then. It's the fact that the seats are not in the same order as the blinds or action.

Ok I checked, your figures are spot on, my apologies. Funnily enough his range is exactly the same however, 44+,A9o+,A7s+,KJs+. So still a fold, lol. (My EV required with the erroneous calculation was only 0.004 off of yours anyway, mind you).

[applejuicekid]

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Folds isn't 4235. 4435 (preflop) - 150 (blind) - 300 (raise).

Unless you're doing it in reverse, in which case, you're forgetting to give 4235 (which is Villian?) 75 from the 780 stack.

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Yes, I had it this order Hero, Shortie, Villain.

The shortie is not in a blind so you don't need to give villain 75.

[tigerite]

Yeah already spotted and corrected. You did make one mistake though

(1-x)(.18332)

That should be 0.1832, well to be accurate 0.18316.. it works out at 0.5854 ev required.

[applejuicekid]

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Yeah already spotted and corrected. You did make one mistake though

(1-x)(.18332)

That should be 0.1832, well to be accurate 0.18316.. it works out at 0.5854 ev required.

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Good work. This is obviously a typo and was not used in calculating. How did you get 0.18316? Don't tell me you did it by hand.

[tigerite]

Aye, I did. I've just realised why my figures are slightly different, I was allowing for a +0.1% EV.