Unintentional angleshoot leads to push

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$1/2, 200max, Turning Stone.

I got to the table less than 15 minutes ago.

Standard open at these tables is $12, so I oblige in LP with A /images/graemlins/spade.gif K /images/graemlins/club.gif.

SB min-raises me $10 more, the 2 limpers get out of the way, and I call.

Flop (~$50): T/images/graemlins/spade.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif

SB bets $30.

I have him on precisely the following hand range:
{ AA no spade (because I have A/images/graemlins/spade.gif), KK or QQ with or without spade, and possibly A/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif }

I declare 'raise'. I throw out the $30 to call first, as I often do.

I'm thinking of how much to raise, when Villain announces "call" in a very dejected fashion. I'm now almost positive he has a premium pair with no spade.

I don't say anything, but the dealer points out that I didn't actually raise yet.

I instantly move in for $178 total. He has me covered.

I think this is the right play anyway; let's now assume $400 stacks instead for the sake of argument. Do you still move in here? pot-sized raise? does this turn the hand into a call instead?

[Mercman572]

twodimes.net can check your probability of your hand given that range. You know you have no fold equity so I might just take the hint and minimum raise for a cheap draw. On a side note, how is the Stone...I'm in Ithaca for school and am thinking about making a few trips if it's profitable (I hear the rake is atrocious and the play isn't as bad a tourist casinos but i'm only going on 20 anyway)

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twodimes.net

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twodimes actually doesn't do ranges, but PokerStove does.

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You know you have no fold equity

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Villain folded AA face up. That was basically the point of this play.

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On a side note, how is the Stone...I'm in Ithaca for school

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I go to Cornell too, remember? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'm going up there on Saturday with my friend Mike, staying over the night, and coming back on Sunday. If you want in, you should join. Hit me a PM!

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Are sure who the angleshooter was here? He may have been trying to get a read on your hand. I would make my normal raise (~$60) and see where it goes from there.

BTW -- I predict that villain probably has QJo so you are gold /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Are sure who the angleshooter was here? He may have been trying to get a read on your hand. I would make my normal raise (~$60) and see where it goes from there.

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You'd usually min-raise here?

If he was trying to get a read on my hand, he probably got the read he wanted when I pushed all-in, didn't he?

The best I can do vs. his hand range is to be almost even (vs. QQ, or a little behind vs. KK), or ahead of only A/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. I want this fold... and if he thinks he gets a read by seeing how much I like my hand, then that's good for me.

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BTW -- I predict that villain probably has QJo so you are gold /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Heheheh, nah, not this time. =)

[4_2_it]

I raise $60 more, which should be 3/4 pot or so (if my math is correct.) Though if the villain is solid, a min-raise should scare the life out of him and make it easier for him to fold to your turn push.

[swolfe]

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Villain folded AA face up. That was basically the point of this play.

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if he annouced "call" isn't he bound to calling even though he acted out of turn?

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Villain folded AA face up. That was basically the point of this play.

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if he annouced "call" isn't he bound to calling even though he acted out of turn?

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He might be, but I think this would only be enforced if I were going to pursue it.

[Mercman572]

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You know you have no fold equity

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Villain folded AA face up. That was basically the point of this play.

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I thought he was committed to a call just as you were the raise /images/graemlins/blush.gif. Makes more sense now.