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keetz555

10-17-2005, 09:04 AM

From todays bonus grind session at Stars. Would you make the same laydowns or am I just weak?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 raises, Hero folds

Nick Royale

10-17-2005, 09:14 AM

I fold both

hemstock

10-17-2005, 09:16 AM

First hand, I might check the turn and call a non-spade river. You can't call the river though so nh.

Second hand, if they villain is passive and I trust my read, I fold too. If he is aggressive, you can call down

WalkAmongUs

10-17-2005, 09:17 AM

Fold both. Hand 1 theres just way too much out there that beats you. Hand 2 Somebody was either slowplaying or caught an A (probably Aces up).

jakbse

10-17-2005, 09:17 AM

Hand 1, yes fold
Hand 2, yes fold

Koss

10-17-2005, 09:17 AM

Marginal turn bet in the first hand. You're likely behind or up against a ton of draws. I might just check it and call a bet if the river blanks.

Nick Royale

10-17-2005, 09:23 AM

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Marginal turn bet in the first hand. You're likely behind or up against a ton of draws. I might just check it and call a bet if the river blanks.

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I don't like letting hands draw for free. Especially not when a fold to a c/r is this easy. Let draws pay on the turn and take a free sd if possible.

Koss

10-17-2005, 09:26 AM

The problem is that the hand is likely a toss-up between making draws pay and betting with 1 out.

mackthefork

10-17-2005, 09:38 AM

I think betting the turn is spewing in hand 1, betting the flop may also be with that many players involved. Hand 2 I follow same line, possibly go for check raise on the flop if there is an aggro player who will bet into you.

Mack

Edit: Hand one only 3 handed on the flop I might be wrong, I still think you're up against an ace the vast majority of the time.

Nick Royale

10-17-2005, 09:42 AM

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The problem is that the hand is likely a toss-up between making draws pay and betting with 1 out.

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But you're planning to call the river, thus invest the same amount anyway. I don't think you'll induce a bluff often enough to make it profitable to check the turn and call the river.

Nick Royale

10-17-2005, 09:45 AM

Failing to bet the flop in hand 1 is really bad IMO . When we've gotten to the turn the risk of being up against an A is big, but I think it's worth placing one more bet in this pot (it's big) and I definately think the turn is the correct street to invest it.

bjarne

10-17-2005, 10:44 AM

I'd play both hands exactly the same.

- Edit - Hmm, or actually I would probably have called the river in hand 2. Although it's maybe the wrong thing to do.

10-17-2005, 10:46 AM

Grunching...

Hand 1: I HATE 4 to a flush on the board! I would lay it down too! I know some will say call one more bet but with so many draws out there and the raisers silence until then...

Hand 2: I would have called one more bet.

Did you have any reads on these villians?

keetz555

10-17-2005, 11:44 AM

Hand 1: UTG+1 folded. MP2 didn't show.

Hand 2:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 raises, Hero folds, MP1 calls.

River: (13.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 bets, MP3 raises, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 17.25 BB

Results in white below: 
MP1 has 9d Ah (three of a kind, aces).
MP3 has Ac Kd (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP3 wins 17.25 BB.

keetz555

10-17-2005, 11:47 AM

Okay, here's another KK (ace magnets) hand that I just played. I absolutely hated the river card, but I just HAD to call it...

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 4 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, CO calls.

River: (12.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Hero calls

TomBrooks

10-17-2005, 12:00 PM

1. Fold OK. Occassionally, especially if it's heads up, you'll win the pot because Villian will bluff bets the scare card, but not that often. From most typical opponents, your beat 85% of the time. With two opponents, chance of Villian bluffing are very small.

2. Fold good. Same story as above: Especially good as Villian is unlikely to bluff raise two opponents.