55: How often do you try a re-steal like this?

[Karak567]

***** Hand History for Game 2889494313 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16653205 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Monday, October 17, 02:44:28 EDT 2005
Table Table 67519 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: johnnydakidd ( $1205 )
Seat 2: postemup ( $680 )
Seat 3: hero ( $1345 )
Seat 5: MrNotabum ( $1250 )
Seat 6: Gbears51 ( $1490 )
Seat 8: STAKEAPROcom ( $375 )
Seat 9: bulldog174 ( $530 )
Seat 10: booom20 ( $3125 )
Trny:16653205 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Js Td ]
MrNotabum folds.
Gbears51 folds.
STAKEAPROcom folds.
bulldog174 folds.
booom20 folds.
johnnydakidd raises [275].
postemup folds.
dam mouse died, had to switch puters
hero is all-In [1245]

[splashpot]

I'd be much more inclinded to try this if the raise came from the SB.

This completely depends on reads. How often was the button raising when it folded to him? Did you ever see him fold after he made a sizable bet? Was 275 the standard open at the table? I love this move if he's been very active when folded to, and has made a few steal-appearing raises within the last 10 orbits. I like it a lot less if he's been playing very tight/aggressive poker.

[tigerite]

Not very. He needs to fold 50%+ of the time to make this even close to +EV..

Or to put it another way, he needs to be raising with top 22% (33+,A3o+,A2s+,KJo+,KTs+,QJs) if he folds 50% of the time and for this to be +EV.

Now if he folds 2/3rds of the time it's a no brainer, but I doubt he would fold that much.

[gp?]

I do this too much and get too many loose calls.

[tigerite]

Well if he folds a third or less you're in trouble unless he's REALLY loose (like, 75% of hands raising)

[MegaBet]

eugh

[fnord_too]

Rarely, but I am not agro enough in this phase.

[tigerite]

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Rarely, but I am like money.

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Fix your post. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[rockythecat99]

I do this all the time with a bigger stack and a good read on him. If he had done this more than once I do this I push. I this is his first raise or second raise from lp I fold.

[tigerite]

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I do this all the time with a bigger stack and a good read on him. If he had done this more than once I do this I push. I this is his first raise or second raise from lp I fold.

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Well stack size matters a lot obviously, in this case he has you virtually covered and a call and loss puts you down to 140 chips, that's why his range has to be humongous unless he folds a hell of a lot. So here you shouldn't do it most times.

[rockythecat99]

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I do this all the time with a bigger stack and a good read on him. If he had done this more than once I do this I push. I this is his first raise or second raise from lp I fold.

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Well stack size matters a lot obviously, in this case he has you virtually covered and a call and loss puts you down to 140 chips, that's why his range has to be humongous unless he folds a hell of a lot. So here you shouldn't do it most times.

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Yeah what he said.

[bigt439]

The restealing thing in situations simliar to this is good with a read. I would never make the play you made without a very strong read, that told me things that tigerite was discussing. The guys is getting a pretty decent price on his cash and he's already invested 1/4 of his stack. You have to have a good read for plays like this, and a very good read for this specific situation.