Dear party, fix your RNG

just got back from vegas. casino poker is way more fun than internet poker btw.

amyways,the bad beats on party are nuts. i was in 8 sngs and 3 MTTs this weekend and every one of my AAs were cracked. i was at a casino and there was a computer security guy there. he said that party's rng is screwed up and just 200,000 hands are given - instead of the 4,000,000 or whatever. and he said that kings are favored in the rng over aces. and he said that he has proven that others' cards can be seen after the fop.funny thing is at casinos the pros were open-minded to party issues - whereas on 2+2 everyone freaks out when someone mentions that the rng might be screwed up. hmmmm. i'm here now because i just got knocked out of a MTT when KJ beat my AA push - again. anyways, if u have not been to a casino - go. it's way more fun and legit than internet poker.

[Skipbidder]

I don't understand your gimmick account.

[dibbs]

You sound like a typical B&M player, man those games are good. Not always economical though, you realize.

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I don't understand your gimmick account.

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that's nice

[J_B]

http://bnever.com/troll.jpg

you must work for party

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You sound like a typical B&M player, man those games are good. Not always economical though, you realize.

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yawn

[dibbs]

How dare you yawn at my soulcrushing insults.

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How dare you yawn at my soulcrushing insults.

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i have no idea. maybe because i have 50k hands on PT and tried b&m for first time past week,

[imported_CaseClosed326]

Well done

[tonypaladino]

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i was at a casino and there was a computer security guy there. he said that party's rng is screwed up and just 200,000 hands are given - instead of the 4,000,000 or whatever. and he said that kings are favored in the rng over aces. and he said that he has proven that others' cards can be seen after the fop.

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Well, if some random dude in a casino says party is rigged, then I'm sold.

Seriously, I hope you die in a massive explosion of biblical preportions, leaving little hope for your family to find any remains to give a proper burial.

i expected such a response on 2+2

[edfurlong]

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i expected such a response on 2+2

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Thanks for checking in then.

[tonypaladino]

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i expected such a response on 2+2

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Then why post here? OOOoooohh I get it. Your mommy and daddy didn't hug you enough as a kid and now you grasp for attention wherever you might get some.

Good luck with that.

[BluffTHIS!]

Man thank you very much for taking the time out of your busy life to search out, not just any computer security geek, but the one who has inside knowledge of the rng code in party's software, to warn all your fellow players here. Since I play the highest nl and plo tables on party, I could really have blown a lot of dough if you hadn't warned me. So starting right now I am folding AA every time I get it including in an unraised blind. Please post back here when your source lets you know party has fixed the problem and I can start playing aces again.

[BigF]

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just got back from vegas. casino poker is way more fun than internet poker btw.

amyways,the bad beats on party are nuts. i was in 8 sngs and 3 MTTs this weekend and every one of my AAs were cracked. i was at a casino and there was a computer security guy there. he said that party's rng is screwed up and just 200,000 hands are given - instead of the 4,000,000 or whatever. and he said that kings are favored in the rng over aces. and he said that he has proven that others' cards can be seen after the fop.funny thing is at casinos the pros were open-minded to party issues - whereas on 2+2 everyone freaks out when someone mentions that the rng might be screwed up. hmmmm. i'm here now because i just got knocked out of a MTT when KJ beat my AA push - again. anyways, if u have not been to a casino - go. it's way more fun and legit than internet poker.

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yawn

[iggy]

This weekend, a drunk at a party told me that his brothers friend knows about some guy who can see your hole cards when you play online.

Man, I'm really glad it's been such an informative week.

[Unabridged]

why wouldn't the computer guy exploit this to make $$$?

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and he said that he has proven that others' cards can be seen after the fop.

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Personally, I prefer my cards to be seen after the dandy, but the fop will do if you're not close to an Armani store.

[tonypaladino]

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and he said that he has proven that others' cards can be seen after the fop.

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Personally, I prefer my cards to be seen after the dandy, but the fop will do if you're not close to an Armani store.

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http://www.geb57.dial.pipex.com/dandy.jpg

[RikaKazak]

you're an idiot, that is all

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i was at a casino and there was a computer security guy there. he said that party's rng is screwed up a

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Vegas is so uptight now they even got guys with guns that protect their computers!

[siccjay]

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i have no idea. maybe because i have 50k hands on PT and tried b&m for first time past week,

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You suck at poker.

You ran good live.

Keep playing live and you will realize you are a moron.

Wait, please stay on the internet. PM your account names.

[A_Junglen]

YYSCKY

[MicroBob]

You You Should Consider Killing Yourself??

[siccjay]

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YYSCKY

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n00b

[Ro-me-ro]

www.billrini.com/index.php/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/ (http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/)

Oh... and enjoy!

[Petomane]

I watched the WSOP last week and saw Jennifer Harmon's nut boat get taken down by an inside straight flush on the river.

I knew immediately the WSOP is rigged.

Honestly, if you can't win at it, don't knock it. Most B&M players think online is rigged, otherwise why would they still be at the B&M?

[Freudian]

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www.billrini.com/index.php/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/ (http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/)

Oh... and enjoy!

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What I really enjoyed about that link was that he first claimed that those who think online poker is rigged do so without empirical evidence then goes on to claim "Over tens of thousands of hands analyzed by hundreds of people, high card holds up as often as it should, top pair holds up as often as it should, two pair holds up as often as it should, etc. There’s a simple and easy way to test your accusation, use hand histories! The numbers will either prove or disprove your accusations very simply." without actually pointing us towards where we could find this mountain of empirical evidence done by hundreds of players. I know why he doesn't point us towards it: it doesn't exist.

I don't belive online poker is rigged but I certainly don't believe anyone has empirically proved it is fair or random. The furthest we have gotten is that we have shown that the starting hand distribution seems to be random over a large sample.

[Ro-me-ro]

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...without actually pointing us towards where we could find this mountain of empirical evidence done by hundreds of players. I know why he doesn't point us towards it: it doesn't exist.


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It does. You just have to look for it.

Examples:

Jim E analyses Party Board cards (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=inet&Number=631318&Forum=, ,f14,,&Words=&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Main=631318&Se arch=true&where=bodysub&Name=1351&daterange=1&newe rval=1&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=# Post631318)

Steve Brecher analyses Stars all in situations (http://tinyurl.com/4lfeg)

PokerStat author tests his software on his own 125k hands (very nice read) (http://tinyurl.com/2nvav)

The bottom link shows not only starting hands, but analyses the hands made on the flop, and the hands they should then go on to have at the river and so on.

Rom

[pshabi]

The last time I went to a B&M I had an interesting conversation in the waiting room with someone who refused to play online as well:

It seems the hands follow a betting pattern! Yes, that's right. The first person to raise wins the pot! It's that simple! Just a betting pattern.

He watched his friend win 4k in a tourney by raising a lot. Plus, he studied computer programming.

There you have it.

[Freudian]

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...without actually pointing us towards where we could find this mountain of empirical evidence done by hundreds of players. I know why he doesn't point us towards it: it doesn't exist.


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It does. You just have to look for it.

Examples:

Jim E analyses Party Board cards (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=inet&Number=631318&Forum=, ,f14,,&Words=&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Main=631318&Se arch=true&where=bodysub&Name=1351&daterange=1&newe rval=1&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=# Post631318)

Steve Brecher analyses Stars all in situations (http://tinyurl.com/4lfeg)

PokerStat author tests his software on his own 125k hands (very nice read) (http://tinyurl.com/2nvav)

The bottom link shows not only starting hands, but analyses the hands made on the flop, and the hands they should then go on to have at the river and so on.

Rom

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The first one is pretty irrelevant since most rigging wouldn't favour any card coming in the long run. It would even out. And if it didn't it wouldn't be hard to compensate in later hands.

The other two were better done though (providing he didn't make the numbers up of course /images/graemlins/wink.gif). Now someone just need to do the same analysis for Party.

[Ro-me-ro]

You are right about the "assuming he didn't make it up" part.

This is really the problem with most any third party analysis. You ultimately have to trust both the auditor *and* the site are honest, since ultimately, you have to trust that the data supplied to the auditor is legitimate.

Basically if you want 100% undenyable proof it ain't gonna happen. To the OP, perhaps you should take up Chess -- less bad beats.

Rom

[lorinda]

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How dare you yawn at my soulcrushing insults.

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i have no idea. maybe because i have 50k hands on PT and tried b&m for first time past week,

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You claim that the PARTY RNG is rigged, when you have 50k hands on PT vs 500 hands in a casino.

One of those has the wrong sample size, you have picked the wrong one.

Lori

[jman220]

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just got back from vegas. casino poker is way more fun than internet poker btw.

amyways,the bad beats on party are nuts. i was in 8 sngs and 3 MTTs this weekend and every one of my AAs were cracked. i was at a casino and there was a computer security guy there. he said that party's rng is screwed up and just 200,000 hands are given - instead of the 4,000,000 or whatever. and he said that kings are favored in the rng over aces. and he said that he has proven that others' cards can be seen after the fop.funny thing is at casinos the pros were open-minded to party issues - whereas on 2+2 everyone freaks out when someone mentions that the rng might be screwed up. hmmmm. i'm here now because i just got knocked out of a MTT when KJ beat my AA push - again. anyways, if u have not been to a casino - go. it's way more fun and legit than internet poker.

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I love B&M "pros" who suck too badly to beat online. The games are harder, its not that its rigged, its just that you aren't good enough to beat them. Sorry.

Regular cheetos are better than cheetos puffs.

The big problem with cheetos puffs is that by the time you've eaten 3 of them, they have cemented your teeth into a pasty mass and you can no longer chew properly. And then you have to spend 5 minutes trying to get them out of your teeth. Does any other food do this? None I can think of at the moment.

[crew]

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every one of my AAs were cracked.

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When you got suited aces more then once, you should have known something was wrong.

[boscoboy]

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and he said that he has proven that others' cards can be seen after the fop.

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Well, I don't want Fop, goddamn it! I'm a Dapper Dan man! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Overdrive]

Wow bad beats and rigged RNG's...I've never heard ANYTHING AT ALL about THAT before......(yawn) /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[UATrewqaz]

If you're trying to be funny you failed.

If you are trying to be stupid you succeeded.

[Innocentius]

Methinks I recognize this style of rambling without capitalization at the beginning of sentences. Could it be possible that you had another 2+2 account before? Hmm...

amazing how defensive and angry everyone gets. makes me wonder.

[Freudian]

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amazing how defensive and angry everyone gets. makes me wonder.

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Yes. Cash out and never play poker again.

[Godfather80]

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amazing how cliched and boring my post was. makes me wonder.

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FYP

[CORed]

I think the guy with a friend who went to MIT just set up a new account.

[benfranklin]

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there was a computer security guy there. he said that party's rng is screwed up

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Must be true if a computer security guy said it:

http://www.sputnik.com.mx/images/upload/the_geek_squad2.jpg

[CORed]

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Regular cheetos are better than cheetos puffs.

The big problem with cheetos puffs is that by the time you've eaten 3 of them, they have cemented your teeth into a pasty mass and you can no longer chew properly. And then you have to spend 5 minutes trying to get them out of your teeth. Does any other food do this? None I can think of at the moment.

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I agree that regular cheetos are better than puffs, but i have quit eating both because I don't like orange fingers.

the quality of discussion at 2+2 just keeps going up. good thing rec forums are around.

[SomethingClever]

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the quality of discussion at 2+2 just keeps going up. good thing rec forums are around.

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Yes, and you're the one who's elevating it to never-before-seen heights.

Good job, genius.

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www.billrini.com/index.php/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/ (http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/)

Oh... and enjoy!

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Didn't anybody read the first paragraph in this?

This post was supposed to end the thread! Sheesh

[jman220]

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Regular cheetos are better than cheetos puffs.

The big problem with cheetos puffs is that by the time you've eaten 3 of them, they have cemented your teeth into a pasty mass and you can no longer chew properly. And then you have to spend 5 minutes trying to get them out of your teeth. Does any other food do this? None I can think of at the moment.

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Peanut Butter.

[tonypaladino]

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Regular cheetos are better than cheetos puffs.

The big problem with cheetos puffs is that by the time you've eaten 3 of them, they have cemented your teeth into a pasty mass and you can no longer chew properly. And then you have to spend 5 minutes trying to get them out of your teeth. Does any other food do this? None I can think of at the moment.

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Peanut Butter.

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http://www.oldtimecandy.com/images/candypix-pages/jujubes_small.jpg

[GrannyMae]

i was in 8 sngs and 3 MTTs this weekend and every one of my AAs were cracked.

show me the HH's of 8 AA cracked at party this weekend and i will send you $50.

if you can't produce them, then you are indeed a troll.

[GrannyMae]

otherwise why would they still be at the B&M?

i agree with OP that B&M is a great change. staring at the computer gets old, and has no social redemption. i know people who have burned out and gotten depressed from multi-tabling for too long.

not only that, but B&M players suck. most onliners can step up 2 or more limits and kick ass.

[jman220]

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i was in 8 sngs and 3 MTTs this weekend and every one of my AAs were cracked.

show me the HH's of 8 AA cracked at party this weekend and i will send you $50.

if you can't produce them, then you are indeed a troll.

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nh

[Guernica4000]

Derosnec,

Since you believe everything you are told, let me tell you that "YOU ARE AN IDIOT" now you can start another post and say “I was online and there was a guy there and he said that I was an idiot…”

By the way the only reason the pros were nice to you was because you were donating at their table. I guarantee you that if you were at my table, on-line or in a B&M I would agree with what ever you said as long as you stayed in the game.

[zuluking]

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i was in 8 sngs and 3 MTTs this weekend and every one of my AAs were cracked.

show me the HH's of 8 AA cracked at party this weekend and i will send you $50.

if you can't produce them, then you are indeed a troll.

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I will send him $500.

[splashpot]

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i was in 8 sngs and 3 MTTs this weekend and every one of my AAs were cracked.

show me the HH's of 8 AA cracked at party this weekend and i will send you $50.

if you can't produce them, then you are indeed a troll.

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I will send him $500.

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It is clearly worth his time to just forge 8 hand histories.

[tigerite]

Except it would have hand #'s on them and they would be easy to retrieve from Party itself.

[Rduke55]

I played in a B+M for the 1st time this weekend. Had AA 3x, cracked twice.
I'll probably fold them PF now.
Live poker is rigged.

Seriously, get over it and start posting something original.

[UATrewqaz]

The most hillarious thing is even though he is 99.99% lying about his 11 cracked AA in a row, even if that existed it would prove nothing....

I've read about people on the micro forum who have 15+ straight AA losses, I personally have lost maybe 5-6 in a row before (this is of course micro limit, where many hands are seeing the flop and staying in till showdown).

I think he's just a troll anyway.

[Wyers]

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i expected such a response on 2+2

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They why bother to take the time to...

meh

nevermind.







Oh yeah...




troll.

[beernutz]

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and he said that he has proven that others' cards can be seen after the fop.

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Well, I don't want Fop, goddamn it! I'm a Dapper Dan man! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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OB,WAT?

Oh, George... not the livestock.

[J_B]

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Regular cheetos are better than cheetos puffs.

The big problem with cheetos puffs is that by the time you've eaten 3 of them, they have cemented your teeth into a pasty mass and you can no longer chew properly. And then you have to spend 5 minutes trying to get them out of your teeth. Does any other food do this? None I can think of at the moment.

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I agree that regular cheetos are better than puffs, but i have quit eating both because I don't like orange fingers.

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Yeh, original cheetos have the orange hand problem. But the puffs do get stuck in your teeth. But those square cheeto puff thingies they had were pretty damned good. Also, don't forget the twists. Those were goot. The ranch ones were ok for a change too.

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and he said that he has proven that others' cards can be seen after the fop.

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Personally, I prefer my cards to be seen after the dandy, but the fop will do if you're not close to an Armani store.

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http://www.geb57.dial.pipex.com/dandy.jpg

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Man, I cracked up at that.

And oddly, this is my mental image of the OP. Kinda like Perry Farrell and Boy George's love child.

amazing how trusting kids are nowadays. just amazing. or you have a vested interest in attacking posts about rngs. back to rec, do you see why?

[Aytumious]

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amazing how trusting kids are nowadays. just amazing. or you have a vested interest in attacking posts about rngs. back to rec, do you see why?

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Because you are [censored] braindead?

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amazing how trusting kids are nowadays. just amazing. or you have a vested interest in attacking posts about rngs. back to rec, do you see why?

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I was carrying a carton of eggs home one day? And I stepped on a boulder and every one of them got cracked, just like your pocket AAs. No liquid chicken for me /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Rduke55]

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or you have a vested interest in attacking posts about rngs.

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I'm a bot on Party. And I have a bot wife, 3 bot children, and my bot cats and bot dogs to take care of. Plus my bot father-in-law needs in-home bot nursing, which I can tell you, isn't cheap.

Please think about who you're affecting by exposing the conspiracy.

I'm just a regular bot trying to make my way in this crazy, mixed-up world.

Won't someone think of the bot children? Oh Bot God! Why won't someone think of the bot children!

[colehard]

Personally I don't give a flying f*ck if the RNGs are fixed since I have obviously adopted my style of play to take this into account and still win $.

Or is everyone on this board who claims to beat Party lying?

The only reason I read these threads is for the ROFL comments (especially the fop pic and the cheetos - you guys rule.)

Thanks derosnec - you provide much amusement.

[lorinda]

http://www.robotfamily.com/archives/images/01_sketches/1.jpg

Is this you?

Lori

[Rduke55]

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http://www.robotfamily.com/archives/images/01_sketches/1.jpg

Is this you?

Lori

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How do you have access to the Party Bot Newsletter?

[beernutz]

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http://www.robotfamily.com/archives/images/01_sketches/1.jpg

Is this you?

Lori

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His wife has an interesting profile.

[hustalasta]

You are absolutely right. I would suggest folding AA pre-flop as they are barely +EV at Party Poker.

https://home.comcast.net/~fu2jobu/AAvsKK.gif

.....

Oh, wait. Thats from another site, not party. The sample size is rather small also.

P.S. to the pre-flop raise % Nazi's...Yes, I have worked on and significantly increased my PFR%.

[MicroBob]

The 17/2 players like yourself are PRECISELY the reason I think table-stats are overrated.

Lots of people around here complaining that table-VP's of 24 are just too tough to beat.

Well, if two guys are 17/2 and another guy is 45/20 I think this is a VP-24 type table that is easily crushable.