Getting aggro in a $50

[EverettKings]

No strong read on villain, he'd been playing at least somewhat tight (we're only 20 hands in).
I'd been playing quite tight.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1795)
CO (t855)
Hero (t1305)
SB (t695)
BB (t1548)
UTG (t1617)
UTG+1 (t935)
MP1 (t1250)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB (thinks for about 8 seconds and) calls t100.

Flop: (t325) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t400</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero is all in (t1155)</font>

It was clear that he wanted me out of the pot and was uneasy about his hand (77/JT maybe). So it logically follows that I push. All good?

Everett

[splashpot]

I think you're getting carried away here. You might be right, but I'd fold on the flop.

[EverettKings]

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I think you're getting carried away here. You might be right, but I'd fold on the flop.

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Well, do you think he could be betting many stronger hands like this, or that he won't release his marginal ones, or both?

[splashpot]

I think he'll call with any jack or flush draw.

problen is that you do not have enough chips to push him out if he is on a drawing hand.

[splashpot]

I'll elaborate. A bet that is larger than the size of the pot is often protecting a vulnerable hand. I think a bet of this size is unlikely to be a probe bet. AJ is my best guess.

[Karak567]

I fold here. He is going to call your all-in.

[EverettKings]

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I think he'll call with any jack or flush draw.

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Do you call with KJ here? QJ? JT?

AJ is a very valid concern. And since most players aren't the type to make strong probe bets like this, 77ish hands can be somewhat discounted. An unfoldable A-high diamond draw is also possible but there are far fewer combos of that than one pair hands. Perhaps 1200 isn't enough to convince him to fold a non-premium jack.

What if we'd both had 1800ish chips on the flop instead of 1200? I think in that case he can get away from almost all of his possible holdings save AJ.

Everett

P.S. Results:<font color="white"> I got called pretty quickly by QJc and proceeded to runner runner a K high flush. I play g00t.</font>

[splashpot]

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Do you call with KJ here? QJ? JT?

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Just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean he won't.

[jedinite]

First read i thought the flop was three diamonds and I thought everyone was crazy talking through this hand - easy push with a likely 15 clean outs and 1.28-1 assuming I'm called.

Finally caught that it was only a flopped threeflush. I think you're up against a jack or a fourflush with this overbet and I'm going to fold the flop.

[john smith]

I really don't like this play. Villian has a pair and is calling your push way too often here to make this profitable. Looks like you got outflopped, I'd fold and wait for a better spot.

[john smith]

If you both had 1800 chips, I'd flat call the flop, expect him to check/bet weak on a scary turn (Q, K, A, diamond) and push.

[tigerite]

FPS, terrible, and this "I play g00t" stuff is ridiculous. But please keep doing it, as I'm going to be coming back to the $55s soon.

[MegaBet]

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Do you call with KJ here? QJ? JT?

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Just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean he won't.

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And this is something people here do not consider much. YOU may know the correct play, but someone else may just see top pair, any kicker, and call it down.

[bigt439]

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I think he'll call with any jack or flush draw.

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Do you call with KJ here? QJ? JT?

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If I played the hand like this, which I wouldn't, yes I would call. Look at the price he is getting. On top of that it doesn't matter what we would do all that much, because this forum is much better than the average $55 player. There are alot of bad players calling you with a lot there. I think I've seen you around mid-high and that you play fairly high (correct me if I'm wrong), but this sort of FPS will not fly in the 55's, I promise you.

[rockythecat99]

You won't get him out with your stack size. He will call you with a jack or a flush draw. Only hands you make fold are Ax and maybe mid pairs.

[EverettKings]

I agree that it was a bit overzealous here, but pushing someone off of an obviously vulnerable/marginal hand is a play that is useful in certain situations. Clearly this isn't one of them, but I was hoping we might expand the discussion to situations where it could apply. Or perhaps it's simply not reasonable to expect a fold from a medium top pair type hand in a $50?

Thoughts welcome

Everett

P.S.

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FPS, terrible, and this "I play g00t" stuff is ridiculous. But please keep doing it, as I'm going to be coming back to the $55s soon.

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Please don't make posts like this ever again. You contributed nothing to the discussion and obviously have no sense of humor or detection for sarcasm.

[johnnybeef]

Easy fold here. However, if this occurs later on in the sng with a relative ratio of stacks to blinds, i may pull this off as it is more likely to be a move. But, most people are afraid to put any chips into the pot in a 55 without anything this early.