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durron597
10-16-2005, 04:52 PM
One of us says push. The other says fold. This opponent was probably on the tight side.

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BB (t6645)
Button (t5065)
Hero (t1790)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Hero ???
splashpot
10-16-2005, 04:53 PM
push
Jman28
10-16-2005, 04:54 PM
I say push.. but this could probably be settled with some simple SNGPT if you two can agree on a range.
Annulus
10-16-2005, 04:55 PM
without doing any math I say its a very close call. probably even EV play.
splashpot
10-16-2005, 04:58 PM
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I say push.. but this could probably be settled with some simple SNGPT if you two can agree on a range.

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Even if you put the BB to call top 50%, it's still slightly higher EV to push. And I would say top 30% is more realistic.
bawcerelli
10-16-2005, 05:03 PM
push
microbet
10-16-2005, 05:05 PM
Push.
durron597
10-16-2005, 05:05 PM
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I say push.. but this could probably be settled with some simple SNGPT if you two can agree on a range.

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Yea, ok, I've been automucking here. I guess this explains why my distribution is 14/10/15 percentage wise. Learn something new every day.

BTW, remind me to start calling you [censored]s more.
10-16-2005, 05:21 PM
Push. If he's a little on the tight side, there's no way he's calling here enough to make a push -EV.
10-16-2005, 05:22 PM
How did you decide this? Very few plays are even EV.
10-16-2005, 05:41 PM
Super easy push for me here
bigt439
10-16-2005, 06:01 PM
Yeah, off the top of my head this doesn't even look close at all... have you run this through SNGPT? If you're not pushing this I bet you're missing alot of other pushes.
Bigwig
10-16-2005, 06:03 PM
I push. I know it sounds ridiculous, but 9 high makes a difference here. There is a very good chance that you won't be facing two overcards. Good enough that it makes this a push.
durron597
10-16-2005, 06:04 PM
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Yeah, off the top of my head this doesn't even look close at all... have you run this through SNGPT? If you're not pushing this I bet you're missing alot of other pushes.

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If he has the maniac default calling range my EV is +1.0%... blah...
10-16-2005, 06:06 PM
Without firing up SNGPT, I imagine this is a clear push. One thing I've been noticing since playing with SNGPT is how many of these types of pushes I've been missing.
bigt439
10-16-2005, 06:15 PM
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I push. I know it sounds ridiculous, but 9 high makes a difference here.

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This really is one of the most insignificant factors in the hand. I imagine your equity barely changes if you're given 32o.
durron597
10-16-2005, 07:10 PM
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This really is one of the most insignificant factors in the hand. I imagine your equity barely changes if you're given 32o.

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For maniac call range in sngpt you go from +1.0% to +0.6%.
10-16-2005, 08:01 PM
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This really is one of the most insignificant factors in the hand. I imagine your equity barely changes if you're given 32o.

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For maniac call range in sngpt you go from +1.0% to +0.6%.

[/ QUOTE ]Which suggests this is a push-any-two situation, right?
Exitonly
10-16-2005, 08:03 PM
without reading responses.. push
10-16-2005, 08:29 PM
shove it.
durron597
10-16-2005, 08:33 PM
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This really is one of the most insignificant factors in the hand. I imagine your equity barely changes if you're given 32o.

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For maniac call range in sngpt you go from +1.0% to +0.6%.

[/ QUOTE ]Which suggests this is a push-any-two situation, right?

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Not necessarily, if villian knows I am pushing any two and calls accordingly it stops being +EV to push 32o.
MegaBet
10-16-2005, 09:47 PM
What was the old Salt N Pepper song...?

"Ahhh push it!!" doo di do do do di, do do do do doooo /images/graemlins/grin.gif
pooh74
10-16-2005, 11:20 PM
cue Salt n' Peppa
bigt439
10-17-2005, 12:13 AM
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This really is one of the most insignificant factors in the hand. I imagine your equity barely changes if you're given 32o.

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For maniac call range in sngpt you go from +1.0% to +0.6%.

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Thank your for that. I'm a little surprised to be honest. So thank you for pointing it out. When I think about it, it makes sense, but I think it still is one of the less important factors in your decision. The situation is the reason you're pushing.

EDIT: As an aside, I think the change from 96o to 32o becomes less important as calling ranges shrink. It is therefore more relevant when the villain is on maniac (which I think is the right setting in this hand). This is just off the top of my head, but I think it should be correct.