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gildwulf
10-15-2005, 10:39 PM
Opponent is loose and donky...cold calls 4XBB with T8.

Did I miss a value bet on the river?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($163)
SB ($156.40)
Hero ($200.70)
UTG ($137.45)
MP ($29.40)
CO ($158.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, UTG calls $8, MP folds, Button folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($26) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, UTG calls $16.

Turn: ($58) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $42</font>, UTG calls $42.

River: ($142) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks (with the intention of calling), UTG checks.

Final Pot: $142
miajag81
10-15-2005, 10:48 PM
Looks fine. I like checking the river to induce a bluff from A-high.
10-15-2005, 11:13 PM
I check/call this all day.
10-15-2005, 11:40 PM
He has what, $65 left? I'd just put him all in.

He is going to call with more hands than he'd bet himself on the river. I think you're letting off 66-TT way too easily if you check this river.
gildwulf
10-15-2005, 11:57 PM
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He has what, $65 left? I'd just put him all in.

He is going to call with more hands than he'd bet himself on the river. I think you're letting off 66-TT way too easily if you check this river.

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There are a lot of busted draws on the river. Checking might induce a bluff from one of them, or also from 66-TT.
10-16-2005, 12:00 AM
If you think he'll bet more hands than he'd call with then why post it? You answered your own question. This is just a read based decision, you said loose and donk, not aggressive. So I suggested bet. I see one straight draw on the flop and possibly a turned flush draw, I wouldn't say there were a lot of draws out there.
Isura
10-16-2005, 01:31 AM
I would raise to 15 preflop unless you were doing something that I sometimes do.
10-16-2005, 01:37 AM
Check call is fine here imo.
gildwulf
10-16-2005, 02:26 AM
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I would raise to 15 preflop unless you were doing something that I sometimes do.

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Why 15?
Isura
10-16-2005, 02:55 AM
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I would raise to 15 preflop unless you were doing something that I sometimes do.

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Why 15?

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3 limpers and you have terrible position. It's the standard raise in this spot.
nietzreznor
10-16-2005, 02:59 AM
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There are a lot of busted draws on the river. Checking might induce a bluff from one of them, or also from 66-TT.

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Really? Flop was rainbow, and although connected, mostly low cards. Other than the gutshot A draw, doesn't seem like there are THAT many busted draws out there.
Thing is, if he's only got $65 or so left, seems like a bluff has too little fold equity. And I also think 66-TT are probably more likely to call a bet than to bet themselves.
Given the stack sizes, I put him in. Only thing this is worse against is a draw, and even if he has one there's a good chance he won't bluff anyways, given how little he has left.
mason55
10-16-2005, 03:07 AM
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Opponent is loose and donky...cold calls 4XBB with T8.

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Uh... can we discuss this a little? I love to coldcall 4xBB raises with T8s. It's a huge winner in my PT database.