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ace_in_the_hole
10-15-2005, 06:25 PM
At this point I figure it is set or 2P but can I call and pray he has JJ? Although I figure he raises me on the flop with JJ, how are you $55ers playing this?

***** Hand History for Game 2882161654 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16614134 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, October 15, 18:21:00 EDT 2005
Table Table 67371 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 10: oberbilker ( $1000 )
Seat 1: full_house83 ( $1000 )
Seat 4: SweetTeasers ( $990 )
Seat 9: firemiller ( $1000 )
Seat 6: Polish_Skunk ( $1000 )
Seat 3: Sankarang ( $2270 )
Seat 5: skwak88 ( $740 )
Seat 8: TU95BEAR ( $1000 )
Seat 7: Domanooch ( $1000 )
Trny:16614134 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to full_house83 [ Kc Kd ]
Domanooch folds.
TU95BEAR folds.
firemiller folds.
oberbilker folds.
full_house83 raises [75].
Sankarang folds.
SweetTeasers folds.
skwak88 folds.
Polish_Skunk calls [60].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, 6c, Ts ]
Polish_Skunk checks.
full_house83 bets [125].
Polish_Skunk calls [125].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
Polish_Skunk checks.
full_house83 bets [400].
Polish_Skunk is all-In [800]
full_house83 is ???

runner4life7
10-15-2005, 07:22 PM
ive just started playing the 55s 2 days ago, but I call this.

psyduck
10-15-2005, 07:47 PM
call.

MegaBet
10-15-2005, 07:55 PM
I'm really not sure how you can fold this.

Khern
10-15-2005, 08:38 PM
lol, I just started playing the 55's yesterday, and I was amazed with what I saw.

I call.

MegaBet
10-15-2005, 08:44 PM
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lol, I just started playing the 55's yesterday, and I was amazed with what I saw.

I call.

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I've been saying that for a while now!
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runner4life7
10-15-2005, 08:58 PM
i agree, while im down 5-6 buy ins, I'm chalking it up to variance. I have seen more than a fair amount of donk moves at the 55s.

chim17
10-15-2005, 09:13 PM
While the 55's are definately improved.. this could still be a top pair type bet... a semibluff, etc.

I think you are ahead more often than not.

flyingmoose
10-15-2005, 09:16 PM
Man, I hate that flop call. I just don't see JJ or QQ cold-calling that flop (and QQ is unlikely to coldcall preflop anyway). I think you're probably beat here, but given the pot odds, you still have to call. There's a slim chance the villain went turbo-donk with 99 or 55 or something.

It does look like the villain flopped a set or a straight, though.

EDIT: I think one thing you can do is bet less on the turn. This board is full of possible inside straight draws and 5-outers, but any reasonable bet will get those out/cause the villaion to make a mistake. So unless you're betting the full pot for VALUE on the turn, you don't need to bet quite so much. Granted, some people will call pot-sized bets with TPNK in these SnGs, but I have better luck stacking milking people when they think they're not being stacked. If he calls this bet, he's determined to go all-in on the river. If you bet 200-300 on the turn, you get information just as well, and probably get called more often by hands you beat.

Still, even if I bet 200 and he pushes, there's no way I'm getting away from this hand. I just don't find a fold kings on a rainbow, 10-high turn while 8-tabling.

10-15-2005, 09:17 PM
You can't fold, you have too much comitted already.

That being said you will be behind over 1/2 of the time.

Jbrochu
10-15-2005, 10:50 PM
With the pot at about t1600 and t400 to call, you should call because I believe you're ahead way more than 25% of the time here.

BadMongo
10-16-2005, 12:46 AM
Folding here would be very bad. The 55s still have plenty of donks, and given the amount you've already committed to the pot, you have to call.