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vhuntd
10-15-2005, 04:56 PM
no reads
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB
lautzutao
10-15-2005, 05:05 PM
I don't think it's horrible. Maybe the size of the pot at the time of the turn-raise you could fold right there due to some of your outs also completing FD's. I would have made the river call. You have the turn-raiser beat at this point I believe, and the button could be bluffing. The pot is now big enough to call this.

NH
milesdyson
10-15-2005, 05:06 PM
folding the turn is where it's at.
vhuntd
10-15-2005, 05:10 PM
I was going to but i decided to call getting 10-1 on the call. Should i perhaps have check folded the turn?
lautzutao
10-15-2005, 05:15 PM
You don't have the odds to call that raise on the turn. At best you have 4 outs, and I believe you're getting 9-1 here.
PokerSparky
10-15-2005, 05:28 PM
Getting ~10:1 on the turn, I think it's close. If you give yourself 4 outs, it's an easy call, but I think you have to discount your outs to around 3 so I think it pushes it more toward a fold.

In the moment, I would probably call the raise as well, but I think I need to learn to fold here more often.
xenthebrain
10-16-2005, 09:44 AM
I would like to have some stats/reads here.
But against a normal person, folding the turn wouldn't be bad.
gopnik
10-16-2005, 09:49 AM
anybody c/r the river? UTG just called, meaning he does not have a flush, so, why not raise?
xenthebrain
10-16-2005, 09:54 AM
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anybody c/r the river? UTG just called, meaning he does not have a flush, so, why not raise?

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What do you put button on? He cold-called on the turn...
He could have taken a free showdown.
IMO, he has the flush (or a hand that beats kings up) at least 70% of the time.
gopnik
10-16-2005, 11:11 AM
yeah, sorry, I misread the hand, I thought UTG bet the river.
Never mind
bozlax
10-16-2005, 11:46 AM
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Getting ~10:1 on the turn...you give yourself 4 outs, it's an easy call...

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10:1 with one card to come, you're likely behind, you've got 4 outs to the not-nuts and that's an easy call? Are you sure?