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kurosh

10-15-2005, 04:05 PM

There is a long story behind this, but I don't want to get into it right now. In short, I was kicked out and I needed 50 hours of community service to get back into the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. I was doing the hours at a local breadline in Springfield, IL, but I got very screwed on Friday. I had about 25 hours done. All I did was ask the supervisor if it's possible to have someone work my hours for me if I pay them, and she terminated me. She said she would have to send a report to the school with my hours and the reason why. I never told her who to send it to and I might not have even told her the school. Even if she does know the school, it's huge and I'm hoping it'll get lost. There's no way they will see that favorably, so those 25 hours are just going to have to be lost. My deadline is Monday, Oct 24th. I need 50 hours of community service by then. I've tried calling various community service places around town, but none can give me enough hours. I called a couple people I know who run businesses too, but that doesn't count for community service, I think.

Someone, help?

I don't know. Maybe one of you help with a charity foundation somewhere nearby and I can say I volunteered there?

Voltron87

10-15-2005, 04:08 PM

*looks up the dean of students office at the U of Illinois, sends link to thread via email*

miajag81

10-15-2005, 04:08 PM

Why can't you just let her send the report to the school? You did 25 hours, I doubt the school would discount them just because of how you got fired. Good luck.

kurosh

10-15-2005, 04:11 PM

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Why can't you just let her send the report to the school? You did 25 hours, I doubt the school would discount them just because of how you got fired. Good luck.

[/ QUOTE ]I am afraid of how they will word it and I think they would discount it. Something like "tried to bribe workers to work his hours for him," even though all I did was [censored] ask.

miajag81

10-15-2005, 04:12 PM

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Maybe one of you help with a charity foundation somewhere nearby and I can say I volunteered there?

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This is a douchebaggish thing to ask, and a douchebaggish thing to do, and you are a douchebag for considering it. You effed up; reap what you sow.

jakethebake

10-15-2005, 04:13 PM

Fired from working the breadline. Wow.

kurosh

10-15-2005, 04:13 PM

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Maybe one of you help with a charity foundation somewhere nearby and I can say I volunteered there?

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This is a douchebaggish thing to ask, and a douchebaggish thing to do, and you are a douchebag for considering it. You effed up; reap what you sow.

[/ QUOTE ]No, I didn't [censored] up. The supervisor is a motherfucker. I would've worked my hours. I would volunteer if I could, but I need this to get back into school and I am desperate.

mmcd

10-15-2005, 04:13 PM

Just ask around among friends/relatives. I'm sure there is a friend of a friend out there that's in a position to just put you down for the 50 hours and send the form off to the school.

Thythe

10-15-2005, 04:15 PM

off topic, but why in the hell did you ask that? I mean didn't you kind of suspect that the school isn't going to allow you to pay people to work your hours for you?

kurosh

10-15-2005, 04:17 PM

Because I'm naive and a retard. I just wanted to know.

10-15-2005, 04:25 PM

Habitat for Humanity of Champaign County (http://www.prairienet.org/habitat/)

Edited to add:
UI Student Chapter of Habitat (http://d852910.u50.securedc.com/HfH/)

TomHimself

10-15-2005, 04:27 PM

[censored] school, play poker

kurosh

10-15-2005, 04:28 PM

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Habitat for Humanity of Champaign County (http://www.prairienet.org/habitat/)

Edited to add:
UI Student Chapter of Habitat (http://d852910.u50.securedc.com/HfH/)

[/ QUOTE ]I live in Springfield, IL.

lighterjobs

10-15-2005, 04:30 PM

you should have asked when you first started working the hours off. i wouldn't have waited until i had half of it done, because now that's wasted.

edit- i guess the past doesn't matter.

Uston

10-15-2005, 04:30 PM

I had to do community service when I got busted for underage drinking in college. I remember that all hours done between (I think) midnight and 8AM counted double. Might want to ask.

imported_anacardo

10-15-2005, 04:35 PM

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[censored] school, play poker

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Seriously. School's overrated. If I were playing in the games you're playing, I wouldn't bother - certainly not for now.

SCfuji

10-15-2005, 04:39 PM

the only benefit to this is that he would have more time to get the 50 hours of cs, but kurosh wouldnt be able to do this at the breadline.

kurosh, why did you ask this question? i think if i were the supervisor i would think, "wow this dude doesnt want to work. maybe i should just fire him. you know what? i will!"

the only way out of this is to talk to your dean and tell them what happened. but in the mean time continue to get hours, no matter how futile your efforts may seem. its time to show the school you really want to go back.

HopeydaFish

10-15-2005, 04:50 PM

There are plenty of places to volunteer, you should be able to get the 25 extra hours no problem. Just open the Yellow Pages...surely there's a Salvation Army, or a Humane Society, etc... nearby that could use some free labour.

As for you getting fired...You can't go through life trying to cut corners like that. Eventually it catches up to you.

mike4bmp

10-15-2005, 05:16 PM

Large Catholic Churches usually have soup kitchens that you can volunteer in.....Check with the Archdioceses of your region.

xorbie

10-15-2005, 05:21 PM

Dude 50 hours in 9 days? I would start tutoring.. is there like a hs nearby? Those hours can be easily fudged.

PaultheS

10-15-2005, 05:30 PM

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Dude 50 hours in 9 days? I would start tutoring.. is there like a hs nearby? Those hours can be easily fudged.

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Yeah, I tutored some of my friends in high school for community service hours. My friend just had to write and sign a note saying how many hours I had tutored him for. I tutored him for many more hours than he wrote/I needed, but it's not like they checked or anything.

If you want to be somewhat honest, you can get someone to sign you off tutoring hours now since you're desperate and then do the tutoring later.

kurosh

10-15-2005, 05:32 PM

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Dude 50 hours in 9 days? I would start tutoring.. is there like a hs nearby? Those hours can be easily fudged.

[/ QUOTE ]YOU, my friend, are a genius! I love you.

HopeydaFish

10-15-2005, 05:35 PM

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Dude 50 hours in 9 days? I would start tutoring.. is there like a hs nearby? Those hours can be easily fudged.

[/ QUOTE ]YOU, my friend, are a genius! I love you.

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Yeah, tutor the niglet...lord knows he probably needs it.

Klepton

10-15-2005, 05:39 PM

call nvrwin to see if he can bribe the dean. or get niglet and his muscle. if you need transportation via bikes, send me a PM.

David04

10-15-2005, 05:39 PM

Enlist niglet to whip some ass.

beernutz

10-15-2005, 07:31 PM

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There is a long story behind this, but I don't want to get into it right now. In short, I was kicked out and I needed 50 hours of community service to get back into the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. I was doing the hours at a local breadline in Springfield, IL, but I got very screwed on Friday. I had about 25 hours done. All I did was ask the supervisor if it's possible to have someone work my hours for me if I pay them, and she terminated me. She said she would have to send a report to the school with my hours and the reason why. I never told her who to send it to and I might not have even told her the school. Even if she does know the school, it's huge and I'm hoping it'll get lost. There's no way they will see that favorably, so those 25 hours are just going to have to be lost. My deadline is Monday, Oct 24th. I need 50 hours of community service by then. I've tried calling various community service places around town, but none can give me enough hours. I called a couple people I know who run businesses too, but that doesn't count for community service, I think.

Someone, help?

I don't know. Maybe one of you help with a charity foundation somewhere nearby and I can say I volunteered there?

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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Sorry, it had to be said.

The Armchair

10-15-2005, 07:39 PM

Find another non-profit to volunteer at. Do the 25 hours. Turn in the form showing 25 at each and disclose why you were fired.

If UI gives you a hard time about this, threaten to sue. Claim they are violating your First Amendment rights for discounting 25 hours worked due to a statement you made. Emphasize that the inquiry is not an act -- you didn't pay someone to work your hours, you simply asked if this is possible.

The argument is likely a loser but is colorable.

DavidC

10-15-2005, 08:11 PM

Didn't you try to desperately backpeddle out of that situation when she terminated you?

How about something like, "Wow, that wasn't the response I'd anticipated. If the answer is no, that's okay, but I'd like to finish my time here."

I'm curious if you even tried this...

--Dave.

DavidC

10-15-2005, 08:16 PM

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Find another non-profit to volunteer at. Do the 25 hours. Turn in the form showing 25 at each and disclose why you were fired.

If UI gives you a hard time about this, threaten to sue. Claim they are violating your First Amendment rights for discounting 25 hours worked due to a statement you made. Emphasize that the inquiry is not an act -- you didn't pay someone to work your hours, you simply asked if this is possible.

The argument is likely a loser but is colorable.

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I knew you guys had the right to free speech when you're in the streets or whatever, but do you have the right to free speech at work? I mean, it's not like you can just repeatedly call your boss a douchebag and not get fired, right? That would be pretty weird.

JackWilson

10-15-2005, 08:52 PM

Slander and defamation of character are not protected under freedom of speech.

The Armchair

10-15-2005, 10:14 PM

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Find another non-profit to volunteer at. Do the 25 hours. Turn in the form showing 25 at each and disclose why you were fired.

If UI gives you a hard time about this, threaten to sue. Claim they are violating your First Amendment rights for discounting 25 hours worked due to a statement you made. Emphasize that the inquiry is not an act -- you didn't pay someone to work your hours, you simply asked if this is possible.

The argument is likely a loser but is colorable.

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I knew you guys had the right to free speech when you're in the streets or whatever, but do you have the right to free speech at work? I mean, it's not like you can just repeatedly call your boss a douchebag and not get fired, right? That would be pretty weird.

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No, you can't. And no, it's not an issue of defamation either. You simply do not have the right to speak freely at work, and the 1st Am'd does not apply.

The reason why the 1st is a potentially useful avenue here is because his claim would be against the university -- a public institution. The institution cannot take acts against you for your speech because it operates as an arm of the state.

The argument here? OP was required by the state to work 50 hrs of community service or it would take action against OP. OP did 25 hours in Job B, of which is undisputed and not in issue. He also did 25 at Job A (the one from which he was fired). This, too, is undisputed. The school is refusing to honor the hours worked at Job A. They are refusing to do so because of his speech -- he was curious about the employer's policy and inquired. That the employer fired him for that speech is immaterial, as he is not claiming that he did 50 hours.

I am not claiming that such an argument would win the day. But it is at least credible, and that may be enough to get OP back at UIUC.

Blarg

10-15-2005, 10:59 PM

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Because I'm naive and a retard. I just wanted to know.

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I can be a pretty touchy hardass sometimes, but this doesn't fire off my jackass sensors like it seems to have done for some other people. Asking may reveal you to be the kind of guy who "just doesn't get it" or something, but that's not exactly a crime. And you probably wouldn't even be there in the first place if you really were the type who "gets it," so where's the big surprise?

If I were the supervisor, I would have just rolled my eyes, maybe spit out a harsh word or two, and forgotten about it.

Plus, you did put in those 25 hours. Trying to screw you up on those is way worse than asking a dipsh*t question or trying to be a weasel. Even a weasel's earned hours are, well, earned. The supervisor's punishment was worse than the crime.

10-16-2005, 12:02 AM

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How about something like, "Wow, that wasn't the response I'd anticipated. If the answer is no, that's okay, but I'd like to finish my time here."

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Not everyone who does community service is there because they have to. It is this reason why his question made him look like a young disrespectful douche. Furthermore, helping people who can't afford food and then asking if you can pay someone to do it for you make you look arrogant to boot.

There's a reason why institutions make young people work in charitable ways instead of pay fines, and it's not solely to help the needy- kudos to the supervisor

stanky

10-16-2005, 12:06 AM

Sorry I can't help. I just wanted to say that a better title would have been, "I screwed myself...help"

CardSharpCook

10-16-2005, 12:10 AM

Brad22

10-16-2005, 12:28 AM

Go look for other stuff in the area, ask family friends for help.

If at all possible, meet with the person who is in charge of letting you back into school and alert them of your plans to find immediate community service projects and your interest in being put back into school. I think if you are professional about it, you'll be treated that way.

Tough situation, just do the best you can man.

kurosh

10-16-2005, 12:30 AM

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Maybe one of you help with a charity foundation somewhere nearby and I can say I volunteered there?

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This is a douchebaggish thing to ask, and a douchebaggish thing to do, and you are a douchebag for considering it. You effed up; reap what you sow.

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Yeah, you're pretty pathetic.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, I am such a pathetic douchebag for trying to do the actual work, but when a supervisor with a dick up his ass decides to [censored] me, I try to look for any alternative to go to school. Wow, I am such an [censored]. People like me should not be allowed to live. Go [censored] yourself.

rlr

10-16-2005, 12:41 AM

I take it you have never worked at a Nonprofit before? I did for a handful of years and I saw the most petty insane stupid crap ever. The program we ran was a good one but the employees (directors etc.) were just a bunch of loonies. It got so bad I and the other sane teachers left.

Btw, The best community service jobs I have seen were at the public library. They won't give you enough hours but the environment is somewhat rational and the work is easy and interesting.

stanky

10-16-2005, 12:45 AM

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Maybe one of you help with a charity foundation somewhere nearby and I can say I volunteered there?

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This is a douchebaggish thing to ask, and a douchebaggish thing to do, and you are a douchebag for considering it. You effed up; reap what you sow.

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Yeah, you're pretty pathetic.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, I am such a pathetic douchebag for trying to do the actual work, but when a supervisor with a dick up his ass decides to [censored] me, I try to look for any alternative to go to school. Wow, I am such an [censored]. People like me should not be allowed to live. Go [censored] yourself.

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Stop overreacting. You effed up and now you want someone to bail you out, "can some one say I did community service for them? even though I didn't". Take responsiblity for yourself. Yes the supervisor overreacted but you have to admit that it was a dumb question to ask him.

Blarg

10-16-2005, 12:53 AM

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I take it you have never worked at a Nonprofit before? I did for a handful of years and I saw the most petty insane stupid crap ever. The program we ran was a good one but the employees (directors etc.) were just a bunch of loonies. It got so bad I and the other sane teachers left.

Btw, The best community service jobs I have seen were at the public library. They won't give you enough hours but the environment is somewhat rational and the work is easy and interesting.

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This comment didn't seem to really address my post or be too coherent, at least regarding my own post.

kurosh

10-16-2005, 12:59 AM

I admited it was a stupid question. I didn't deserve what I got for asking it and in no way does it make me a douchebag or pathetic. I would do the work if there was time.

rlr

10-16-2005, 01:23 AM

The point is the that the staff is probably crazy and will not react in what you think would be normal in this situation. If it is a nonprofit then the rules change.

tonypaladino

10-16-2005, 03:13 AM

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I admited it was a stupid question. I didn't deserve what I got for asking it and in no way does it make me a douchebag or pathetic. I would do the work if there was time.

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Some people here seem to be focused on whether your a douchbag or not, but that's not the point.

The point is you put in 25 hours and deserve the credit. If I were in your position I would explain to the dean or whoever what happened, tell him you made a joking comment in passing to the supervisor and got fired over it. I can't see any reason they would discount the hours, unless you personally pissed off someone in the university administration, and they want you out.

TONY