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Garland

10-15-2005, 03:56 PM

Opponent is very loose. He has been running really hot with crap cards, and he's shown the ability to bluff a lot. He called my preflop raise with 85o vs my AA and flopped trips. I should add that villian has made a few fishy calls.

How do you handle this situation?

Garland

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO ($1043.40)
Button ($318.70)
SB ($768)
Garland ($642)
UTG ($449.10)
UTG+1 ($897.05)
MP1 ($327.65)
MP2 ($615)

Preflop: Garland is BB with 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls $6, CO calls $6, 2 folds, Garland checks.

Flop: ($21) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Garland checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($21) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Garland checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

River: ($21) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Garland bets $13, MP2 folds, CO raises to $84, Garland ???

flawless_victory

10-15-2005, 03:58 PM

by calling, obviously.

SlyAK

10-15-2005, 04:17 PM

Obviously call? Why not re-raise to $250, hero has the 2nd nuts here....

Sly

JKratzer

10-15-2005, 04:33 PM

I'd just call. Villian's range could be anything, I'd guess here he either has the nuts and you're beat, or he's bluffing and won't call any more. The big overbet against someone in the bb looks like he's hoping you have something to pay off his straight. My 2 cents, difficult decision against this opponnet.

kagame

10-15-2005, 04:43 PM

i just called today with the 2nd nut straight on a 4 card straighted board, and the guy had a set

i left about half his stack i could have taken...

iceman5

10-15-2005, 04:47 PM

Against a guy like this, Im reraising. I like $250

Rocaix

10-15-2005, 04:51 PM

If he's really that bad, I would 3-bet here and consider calling a push. I've seen a lot of donkeys slow play a set or big two pair down to the river like this and then massively overplay the river. I think his hand range is much wider than just 86 or a bluff here on the river.

10-15-2005, 05:00 PM

If he's such a fish, he'd probably play two pair or a set identically, and would definitely call a reraise on the river with one of these hands.

You're only worried about one hand, when he could be holding a fairly wide range of hands that he probably thinks are unbeatable. I'd say this is an easy reraise. If he comes back over the top, then perhaps just call, but don't just flat call one raise with the second nuts in this situation.

gol4pro

10-15-2005, 05:55 PM

If villian has a wide hand range here, you're losing an astronomical amount of value by calling his raise.

Call if you hate money-- you're losing to exactly 1 hand.

Garland

10-16-2005, 02:29 PM

Against most opponents I would have flat called, but this guy was pretty loose/fishy. However, he hasn't been known to slow play hands either, so I had to put him on something that he likes that he could beat. Well, I reraised, he put me all-in and I called. He had the nuts.

Can I fold to his push?

Thanks for your thoughts?

Garland

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($1043.40)
Button ($318.70)
SB ($768)
Garland ($642)
UTG ($449.10)
UTG+1 ($897.05)
MP1 ($327.65)
MP2 ($615)

Preflop: Garland is BB with 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls $6, CO calls $6, 2 folds, Garland checks.

Flop: ($21) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Garland checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($21) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Garland checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

River: ($21) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Garland bets $13, MP2 folds, CO raises to $84, Garland raises to $288, CO raises to $1037.4, Garland calls $348 (All-In).

Final Pot: $1694.40

Results below:
Garland has 6d 3c (straight, seven high).
CO has 8d 6s (straight, eight high).
Outcome: CO wins $1694.40.

flawless_victory

10-16-2005, 03:51 PM

holy sh.t it took balls to post that!
you got your whole stack into $20 dollar pot... jesus.
against typical players, i fold to the river raise the first time...

Garland

10-16-2005, 03:57 PM

[ QUOTE ]
holy sh.t it took balls to post that!
you got your whole stack into $20 dollar pot... jesus.

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I don't mind as long as I grow from the experience. One of the ways of growing is to be publically humiliated /images/graemlins/grin.gif.

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against typical players, i fold to the river raise the first time...

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Isn't that a bit conservative? I don't believe anyone folds to the first raise.

Garland

iceman5

10-16-2005, 06:20 PM

Folding to the 1st raise would be about the weak-tightest thing Ive ever seen.

flawless_victory

10-16-2005, 06:47 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Folding to the 1st raise would be about the weak-tightest thing Ive ever seen.

[/ QUOTE ]iceman is calling me weak-tight! gotta love it!

Jeebus

10-16-2005, 10:33 PM

[ QUOTE ]
holy sh.t it took balls to post that!
you got your whole stack into $20 dollar pot... jesus.
against typical players, i fold to the river raise the first time...

[/ QUOTE ]

The question is does the guy play straighforward or does he try to be tricky. If he is a typical straigh ahead player as it sounds like he is, I would tell myself to fold because he has to have it to make that raise or at least to just call since there is little chance ill make myself fold the 2nd nuts. I would actually probably raise and fold to the push.
If he is frequently capable of, or dumb enough to be making a play at this pot then raise and probably call.

My thoughts at least.

spoohunter

10-17-2005, 03:39 PM

[ QUOTE ]
holy sh.t it took balls to post that!
you got your whole stack into $20 dollar pot... jesus.
against typical players, i fold to the river raise the first time...

[/ QUOTE ]

This is just stupid.