Pokerstars Is Rigged

Hello all,

I am here not to make threats, lies, or purposely arbertrate Pokerstars site integrity but listed below is an explanation of how ive come to a conclusion that Pokerstars is indeed not legitimate and in fact has hundreds of employees and software programmers scamming from the innocent players.

After 3 years of recorded hand histories, betting patterns, chat, and other related aspects to the game, I submitted all this information to a personal friend whom is a graduate from MIT. I will not post his name as he requested to keep his identity from this issue.

What he did was compile all the hands and ran a statistical analysis of these hands(1,345,978 to be exact) and found that the probabilities that resulted in the wins/losses of these hands were in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds. 21.9% May not seem like a large # but when you multiply this number by 1 million you can see the amount of hands this relates to and the amount of money lost in these hands.

I also had him carefully research and study the betting patterns of all these hands and how it correlated to the results of these hands. You will be amazed at what he discovered. Not only does he conclude that there are inside players workin for pokerstars but he also states that they use PROGRAMMED BOTS with a very high effecient A.I.(artificial intelligence)

I know most of you have heard of these so called "bots" and in fact there are places we know that use them but I will not bring there names into this for site protection. What I'm gettin at is he concludes Pokerstars with the billions of dollars in revenue has the resources to be able to pull off this scam with hi tech programmers, anti-fraud marketing campaigns, deposit bonuses, etc etc. They have the world in their hands, and being that party poker is a big competitor it onlys make sense that these greedy bastards would rob every penny they can get their hands on!

So in closing this, beware and the next time you ask yourself how did I just lose with AA to 23 os all in preflop, remember this post.

Best of Luck,

Riggedpokerstars

[Python49]

YSSCKY

I win.

[PsYcHo-ScHnAuZeR]

As owner of one of those bots, I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to scare away my business. /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[A_Junglen]

I got some new flanel bed sheets, they're nice and warm.

[Synergistic Explosions]

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I know most of you have heard of these so called "bots" and in fact there are places we know that use them but I will not bring there names into this for site protection.

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Nice to see you protecting sites that use bots.

[Alex/Mugaaz]

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Hello all,

I am here not to make threats, lies, or purposely arbertrate Pokerstars site integrity but listed below is an explanation of how ive come to a conclusion that Pokerstars is indeed not legitimate and in fact has hundreds of employees and software programmers scamming from the innocent players.

After 3 years of recorded hand histories, betting patterns, chat, and other related aspects to the game, I submitted all this information to a personal friend whom is a graduate from MIT. I will not post his name as he requested to keep his identity from this issue.

What he did was compile all the hands and ran a statistical analysis of these hands(1,345,978 to be exact) and found that the probabilities that resulted in the wins/losses of these hands were in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds. 21.9% May not seem like a large # but when you multiply this number by 1 million you can see the amount of hands this relates to and the amount of money lost in these hands.

I also had him carefully research and study the betting patterns of all these hands and how it correlated to the results of these hands. You will be amazed at what he discovered. Not only does he conclude that there are inside players workin for pokerstars but he also states that they use PROGRAMMED BOTS with a very high effecient A.I.(artificial intelligence)

I know most of you have heard of these so called "bots" and in fact there are places we know that use them but I will not bring there names into this for site protection. What I'm gettin at is he concludes Pokerstars with the billions of dollars in revenue has the resources to be able to pull off this scam with hi tech programmers, anti-fraud marketing campaigns, deposit bonuses, etc etc. They have the world in their hands, and being that party poker is a big competitor it onlys make sense that these greedy bastards would rob every penny they can get their hands on!

So in closing this, beware and the next time you ask yourself how did I just lose with AA to 23 os all in preflop, remember this post.

Best of Luck,

Riggedpokerstars

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A) Why could he care about his identity, he wouldn't. It would make him famous if he was correct.

B) Where is the data proving your position, supposedly you have it, SO POST IT. THIS IS THE BIGGEST REASON YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP. If the data is correct it could be verified and your position would be proven. You pruposefully don't post it to make your bs troll acct or because youre just full of it.

C) A person in MIT, however smart, is not qualified to analyze what betting patterns mean unless he himself is an expert poker player.

D) What in the holy hell does 21.9% different from the actual probable odds mean?


E) This is a horrible F'ing troll post or a complete moron. Trolls shouldn't make posts like this, it's not freakin funny. All it does is eat into all of the winning players profits and ruins the reputations of honest people. Honestly I think the only site that really cares about it's players is PStars (but I still think the site sucks). Lee Jones is one of few honest people in this industry that is desperate for non-scummy people.

[jdl22]

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After 3 years of recorded hand histories, betting patterns, chat, and other related aspects to the game, I submitted all this information to a personal friend whom is a graduate from MIT. I will not post his name as he requested to keep his identity from this issue.

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Come on Ed, why not just come clean and say it was you doing the analysis?

[Uglyowl]

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in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds

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That's it? I have a 38.143198% difference than expected. My aces for some reason don't have a problem with 32o, but for some reason 94s busts them 56.8% of the time all in preflop, that is not right.

[Tapin]

Vanilla Creme Brulée
6 large egg yolks
6 tablespoons sugar
1 vanilla bean, split lengthwise
1 1/2 cups whipping cream

6 teaspoons granulated sugar (or 8 -12 teaspoons packed brown sugar).

Preheat oven to 325°F.

Whisk yolks and 6 tablespoons sugar in medium bowl to blend. Scrape in seeds from vanilla bean. Gradually whisk the cream into the sugar. Divide mixture among 6 - 3/4 cup custard cups or ramekins. Arrange dishes in 13x9x2-inch baking pan. Pour enough hot water into pan to come halfway up sides of dishes.

Bake custards approximately 35-40 minutes until the custard is set. Do not overbake or your custard will be rubbery. Remove the pan from the oven and remove custard cups from the water. Allow custards to cool before placing in the refrigerator. Chill overnight.

Two hours before serving:
Preheat broiler. Sprinkle 1 teaspoon sugar atop each custard. Place dishes on small baking sheet. Broil until sugar just starts to caramelize, rotating sheet for even browning, about 2 minutes. Chill until caramelized sugar hardens, about 2 hours.

[imported_azalin]

Everyone knows pokerstars is rigged

[A_Junglen]

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Vanilla Creme Brulée
6 large egg yolks
6 tablespoons sugar
1 vanilla bean, split lengthwise
1 1/2 cups whipping cream

6 teaspoons granulated sugar (or 8 -12 teaspoons packed brown sugar).

Preheat oven to 325°F.

Whisk yolks and 6 tablespoons sugar in medium bowl to blend. Scrape in seeds from vanilla bean. Gradually whisk the cream into the sugar. Divide mixture among 6 - 3/4 cup custard cups or ramekins. Arrange dishes in 13x9x2-inch baking pan. Pour enough hot water into pan to come halfway up sides of dishes.

Bake custards approximately 35-40 minutes until the custard is set. Do not overbake or your custard will be rubbery. Remove the pan from the oven and remove custard cups from the water. Allow custards to cool before placing in the refrigerator. Chill overnight.

Two hours before serving:
Preheat broiler. Sprinkle 1 teaspoon sugar atop each custard. Place dishes on small baking sheet. Broil until sugar just starts to caramelize, rotating sheet for even browning, about 2 minutes. Chill until caramelized sugar hardens, about 2 hours.

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that's just downright ambitious ...

*boils 2 cups of water, adds noddles, cooks for 3 minutes, adds seasoning*

sounds like youve had your share of taking it in the azz with your tone of voice. go mouth off to someone who really gives a flyin @#@#!

[Exsubmariner]

Will it ever end? Posts like this make me want to stop reading the zoo.

So, Rigged Pokerstars, Please post a link where we can download your database. I would love to analyze this myself.
Thank you.

X

This is one of those parody posts, isn't it?

That modern edgy humor just plain goes over my head.

[Hermlord]

I looooooove creme brulee!!! You cannot possibly imagine how hungry you just made me....too bad it takes a day to make...

[webgator]

Yep, and it's not just Poker Stars...all online poker is rigged! /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[darkcore]

all b&m poker, too.
i think it has to do with some alien masterplan to take over the world. and as long as you can't proof i'm wrong, i'm right, right?

[JayLeno]

I would like to vote....
But how do you vote yes or no to the question: WHO HERE believes pokerstars is rigged?
Shouldnt it be; DO YOU believe...etc?
I think YOU are rigged........ /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I believe the best candy bars out there are twix bars. They're really quite good. Snickers are the next best.

Worst candy? Tootsie rolls. They look like chocolate, but they're not, they're some kind of chewy tasteless crap. Why fill the wrapper with tootsie roll when they could put chocolate in instead? There's just no excuse for that.

[BluffTHIS!]

Well fortunately for me they let me in on the positive end of the rigging and I have experienced the exact same 21.9% difference but positively. So a greater number of my made hands on the flop hold up and my drawing hands suck out so much I take a 4 outer to the river in pot-limit and no-limit games regularly. I'm truly the gutshot king of stars! So too bad for all you -21.9% suckers who give me that +21.9%.

And here's a final clue. I paid to be on the positive rigging end on every site on which I play, so I pwn all you suckers no matter where you go.

[kapw7]

I agree. It must be rigged. Because I've just finished my $150 reload bonus and I'm $550 up in total. And I am really bad at poker.

[evil_twin]

I might try and get out to the cinema later.

[Sciolist]

Or, post your User ID and give me permission, and I'll download the hands myself, run them through Poker Tracker and let everyone know the results. Sounds good?

[lorinda]

It's okay Lee, you can use your real name, we know it's you.

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and found that the probabilities that resulted in the wins/losses of these hands were in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds

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Lee, this is why we need an automatic way of chopping the final table, your math gets a bit wonky at times.

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it onlys make sense that these greedy bastards would rob every penny they can get their hands on!


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Seriously Lee, just write another book if times are hard.

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and being that party poker is a big competitor

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We worked out ages ago that you are both the same company. Lucy Jones/Lee Jones, it was all too obvious.


Lori

[JJNJustin]

Making a post such as this is similiar to defacating in a public swimming pool. It wont be met with open arms, to say the least.

-J

[primetime32]

So you lost a ton of money on some bad beats at pokerstars and instead of learning how to play the game you post up this drivel. Talk about transparent.

[Freudian]

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Will it ever end? Posts like this is what makes me read the zoo.

So, Rigged Pokerstars, Please post a link where we can download your database. I would love to analyze this myself.
Thank you.

X

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FYP /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FlFishOn]

Here's a site I trust. I sampled a small batch of hands and they checked out very close to expectation.

[Overdrive]

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YSSCKY

I win.

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My oh my. Now that sir, is what we call an Avatar /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Sciolist]

To quote my bad beat response template:

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There are three sets of people who would undoubtably recognise that something was amiss if there were any flaws in the shuffle. The first set is the programmers, the second senior management, and the third the poker specialists (who have access to as many hand histories as they want). All any of these people would have to do is ask for a 100% pay rise with the threat that they will release compelling evidence about the dishonesty. We make our money purely from rake and tournament entry fees. We would immediately lose a lot, if not all of our players as a result of this. The fact that this is not all over the forums, and the fact that I am (sadly) not sitting on a tropical island as I type this mail is a very strong signal that nothing is amiss

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[Jim Easton]

Tootsie Rolls kick Twix bars butts.

[Eder]

I voted yes...but of course I enjoy these threads

[Ro-me-ro]

www.billrini.com/index.php/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/ (http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/)

"Enjoy!"

[Guthrie]

I always thought that Lee Jones was a shifty-looking character. Who wants to charter a plane, fly down to Costa Rica, and get our money back? Or at least get really drunk.

[TobDog]

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sounds like youve had your share of taking it in the azz with your tone of voice. go mouth off to someone who really gives a flyin @#@#!

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We can give you an 800 # to call and talk to someone who cares

1-800-522-4700

OH by the way... ENJOY!

[smb394]

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arbertrate

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[DarthIgnurnt]

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the probabilities that resulted in the wins/losses of these hands were in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds.

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It's at least 80% to 1 that your friend is wrong.

[wrongarm300]

Yes, but how many licks does it take to reach the center of a tootsie roll pop?

[cold_cash]

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I submitted all this information to a personal friend whom is a graduate from MIT.

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Before I believe any of this I'm going to need to know what this guy scored on his SAT.

omg rigged!

[tdarko]

jim, mike, matt,

just cross post this to OOT let [censored] sort this out.

[Matty]

I'll pay for your vasectomy.

[FlFishOn]

Sorry, but I must suggest you are overly optomistic. I could easily envision a situation where cheats could enter into the software and corporate life simply goes on.

At Party, for instance, it's possible that only one person has ever coded the card distribution section at the site's begining. That person is a principal. Once it's compiled no one out of the loop can inspect his work.

[Jim Easton]

Average of 364 (http://www.tootsie.com/memoriesLicksMachine.html)

[Jim Easton]

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found that the probabilities that resulted in the wins/losses of these hands were in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds.

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Please post the data and conclusions. I'd like to know what this means and how it was calulated.

[lorinda]

Why don't YOU (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=inet&Number=631318&Forum=, ,f14,,&Words=&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Main=631318&Se arch=true&where=bodysub&Name=1351&daterange=1&newe rval=1&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=# Post631318) do it for the sites you play.

Oh wait.... you did.

Lori

[Jim Easton]

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Oh wait.... you did.


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Exactly, just asking for the same in return.

Plus, I really want to know what ". . . the probabilities that resulted in the wins/losses of these hands were in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds" means.

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I am here not to make threats, lies, or purposely arbertrate Pokerstars site integrity...

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Anyone know what arbertrate means?

[SineNomine]

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I am here not to make threats, lies, or purposely arbertrate Pokerstars site integrity

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arbertrate? Huh? I can't even figure out what word you thought you were typing here.

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the next time you ask yourself how did I just lose with AA to 23 os all in preflop, remember this post.

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I think it would be more useful to remember that I was roughly a 7 to 1 favorite (87.214% probability of winning) but that 7 to 1 long shots do sometimes hit. Have you ever seen someone roll a five at the craps table? That's an 8 to 1 long shot, but it happens (11.1% of the time)often enough that nobody considers rolling a five to be weird, extraordinary, or evidence that the dice are rigged. Further I think it would be useful to remember who the player is; as he is someone whose presence at my table, I should encourage if not celebrate.

[Jim Easton]

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7 to 1 long shots do sometimes hit

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Heck, AA hit about a 220:1 shot just getting the AA.

[tonypaladino]

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Yes, but how many licks does it take to reach the center of a tootsie roll pop?

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274

Was I really the only one to spend 2 hours trying this as a kid?

[A_Junglen]

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I am here not to make threats, lies, or purposely arbertrate Pokerstars site integrity...

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Anyone know what arbertrate means?

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probably meant arbitrate (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=arbitrate)

[2+2 wannabe]

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7 to 1 long shots do sometimes hit

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Heck, AA hit about a 220:1 shot just getting the AA.

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vnh

[chesspain]

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It's at least 80% to 1 that your friend is wrong.

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[giggles]

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I am here not to make threats, lies, or purposely arbertrate Pokerstars site integrity...

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Anyone know what arbertrate means?

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probably meant arbitrate (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=arbitrate)

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That still doesn't make any sense. I think he's just trolling.

[Perseus]

That sucks that it's rigged...for you, because it's allowing me to win.

Maybe I sold my soul?

[scotty34]

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Tootsie Rolls kick Twix bars butts.

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Tootsie rolls are always the unused crap sitting at the bottom of my pile of halloween candy.

You fools truely must be brainwashed in thinking what you believe is true. As far as Im concerned, you can kiss my !@!@!@ azz with the rest of them. I eat fools like you for a living. STARS WILL GO DOWN WHEN IM THROUGH WITH MY RAGE!

[Freudian]

Trolling is hard. You have to strike a delicate balance between making reasonable statements and being unreasonable.

You are overacting worse than a 1990s Al Pacino here. Should have stayed in character.

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

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Vanilla Creme Brulée
6 large egg yolks
6 tablespoons sugar
1 vanilla bean, split lengthwise
1 1/2 cups whipping cream

6 teaspoons granulated sugar (or 8 -12 teaspoons packed brown sugar).

Preheat oven to 325°F.

Whisk yolks and 6 tablespoons sugar in medium bowl to blend. Scrape in seeds from vanilla bean. Gradually whisk the cream into the sugar. Divide mixture among 6 - 3/4 cup custard cups or ramekins. Arrange dishes in 13x9x2-inch baking pan. Pour enough hot water into pan to come halfway up sides of dishes.

Bake custards approximately 35-40 minutes until the custard is set. Do not overbake or your custard will be rubbery. Remove the pan from the oven and remove custard cups from the water. Allow custards to cool before placing in the refrigerator. Chill overnight.

Two hours before serving:
Preheat broiler. Sprinkle 1 teaspoon sugar atop each custard. Place dishes on small baking sheet. Broil until sugar just starts to caramelize, rotating sheet for even browning, about 2 minutes. Chill until caramelized sugar hardens, about 2 hours.

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that's just downright ambitious ...

*boils 2 cups of water, adds noddles, cooks for 3 minutes, adds seasoning*

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Personally, I like to cook the noodles in the seasoning, then drain off the "broth." Dump the noodles in a bowl, add a bit of soy and a bit of hot sauce (Sriracha is the best). Yummers.

[tinga81]

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You fools truely must be brainwashed in thinking what you believe is true. As far as Im concerned, you can kiss my !@!@!@ azz with the rest of them. I eat fools like you for a living. STARS WILL GO DOWN WHEN IM THROUGH WITH MY RAGE!

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You eat fools for a living? That can't be a good diet.

Instead of your 13 year-old defensive response, why don't you prove us all wrong with your stats, and "MIT boy."

[goodguy_1]

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You are overacting worse than a 1990s Al Pacino here. Should have stayed in character.


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/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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I eat fools like you for a living.

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What the hell is that supposed to mean?

[SineNomine]

If you are truly serious and this is not some kind of joke or troll, try this web page (http://www.healthyminds.org/locateapsychiatrist.cfm)

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[GrannyMae]

he concludes Pokerstars with the billions of dollars in revenue

you MIT friend used billions as a variable?

[4_2_it]

Wow, I've won thousands of dollars in the last year on PokerStars. I must be the best player in the world if I am able to beat the rigged hands and super bots.

Who wants to sponsor me for every $10k buy-in tourney next year? Winning those should be a piece of cake!

[Matty]

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[censored]

[/ QUOTE ]PM sent.

[jman220]

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Worst candy? Tootsie rolls. They look like chocolate, but they're not, they're some kind of chewy tasteless crap. Why fill the wrapper with tootsie roll when they could put chocolate in instead? There's just no excuse for that.


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This is 100% correct. [censored] Tootsie Rolls. They're always the last candies left in the dish, and you're all like hurray, i'm going to have some candy, and then its all like, no its just tootsie rolls. God I hate tootsie rolls.

[AngryCola]

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Trolling is hard. You have to strike a delicate balance between making reasonable statements and being unreasonable.

You are overacting worse than a 1990s Al Pacino here. Should have stayed in character.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/AngryCola/pict11.jpg

<font color="white"> I'm genuinely surprised that I found two excuses to post this picture today.</font>

[Matty]

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[censored]

[/ QUOTE ]PM sent.

[/ QUOTE ]Damn now I'm getting PMs. I was joking. Penises make me cry.

[UATrewqaz]

I seriously believe the OP is a Party Poker employee.

This thread would have been way better if you had come up with a clever screen name.

[VoraciousReader]

[ QUOTE ]
Vanilla Creme Brulée
6 large egg yolks
6 tablespoons sugar
1 vanilla bean, split lengthwise
1 1/2 cups whipping cream

6 teaspoons granulated sugar (or 8 -12 teaspoons packed brown sugar).

Preheat oven to 325°F.

Whisk yolks and 6 tablespoons sugar in medium bowl to blend. Scrape in seeds from vanilla bean. Gradually whisk the cream into the sugar. Divide mixture among 6 - 3/4 cup custard cups or ramekins. Arrange dishes in 13x9x2-inch baking pan. Pour enough hot water into pan to come halfway up sides of dishes.

Bake custards approximately 35-40 minutes until the custard is set. Do not overbake or your custard will be rubbery. Remove the pan from the oven and remove custard cups from the water. Allow custards to cool before placing in the refrigerator. Chill overnight.

Two hours before serving:
Preheat broiler. Sprinkle 1 teaspoon sugar atop each custard. Place dishes on small baking sheet. Broil until sugar just starts to caramelize, rotating sheet for even browning, about 2 minutes. Chill until caramelized sugar hardens, about 2 hours.

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Yum. I always thought you needed one of those little torches. The kind that are only owned by people with egg separators and stoneware that matches their wallpaper border.

It's a good thing.

Edit: Oh, and here's what they do with your melted candle wax after the candle burns down. They mix it up with a little sugar and food coloring, and they call it a Tootsie Roll. It's true! I have a friend at MIT that confirmed it. (She doesn't want her name disclosed.)

(I think some of the OP's posts were deleted. A shame. They sound like they were hilarious.)

[MicroBob]

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1,345,978 to be exact

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21.9% May not seem like a large # but when you multiply this number by 1 million you can see the amount of hands this relates to and the amount of money lost in these hands.

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I assume you mean that I need to multiply it by the first number (not just one million) in order to see the amount of hands this relates to and the amount of money lost in these hands.


1345978 * 21.9% = 29476918.2%

But I'm not sure if this is the number of hands this relates to OR the amount of money lost.
You said I would be able to see these things if I multiplied them together but I'm just not seeing it.

Please provide assistance here. I followed your instructions to the letter but it doesn't seem to be working properly.

Thank you.

[jman220]

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1,345,978 to be exact

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[ QUOTE ]
21.9% May not seem like a large # but when you multiply this number by 1 million you can see the amount of hands this relates to and the amount of money lost in these hands.

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I assume you mean that I need to multiply it by the first number (not just one million) in order to see the amount of hands this relates to and the amount of money lost in these hands.


1345978 * 21.9% = 29476918.2%

But I'm not sure if this is the number of hands this relates to OR the amount of money lost.
You said I would be able to see these things if I multiplied them together but I'm just not seeing it.

Please provide assistance here. I followed your instructions to the letter but it doesn't seem to be working properly.

Thank you.

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Seriously Bob, I thought you were a lot quicker with the math. Clearly he's lost $29,476,918.2%. The way I figure it, thats roughly: <font color="white">Celebrity Jeopardy Joke to follow </font> $Texas.

[GrinningBuddha]

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I seriously believe the OP is a Party Poker employee.

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Someone call Amnesty International!! Party is using child labour!

[ZBTHorton]

[ QUOTE ]
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1,345,978 to be exact

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21.9% May not seem like a large # but when you multiply this number by 1 million you can see the amount of hands this relates to and the amount of money lost in these hands.

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I assume you mean that I need to multiply it by the first number (not just one million) in order to see the amount of hands this relates to and the amount of money lost in these hands.


1345978 * 21.9% = 29476918.2%

But I'm not sure if this is the number of hands this relates to OR the amount of money lost.
You said I would be able to see these things if I multiplied them together but I'm just not seeing it.

Please provide assistance here. I followed your instructions to the letter but it doesn't seem to be working properly.

Thank you.

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Seriously Bob, I thought you were a lot quicker with the math. Clearly he's lost $29,476,918.2%. The way I figure it, thats roughly: <font color="white">Celebrity Jeopardy Joke to follow </font> $Texas.

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vnh

[CORed]

Would your please post the raw data and your MIT friend's analysis, or put it on a website and post a link?

I didn't think so.

[CORed]

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Yes, but how many licks does it take to reach the center of a tootsie roll pop?

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274

Was I really the only one to spend 2 hours trying this as a kid?

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Yes you were. Every other person in the entire world bites into them when the hard candy gets thin enough.

[CORed]

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You fools truely must be brainwashed in thinking what you believe is true. As far as Im concerned, you can kiss my !@!@!@ azz with the rest of them. I eat fools like you for a living. STARS WILL GO DOWN WHEN IM THROUGH WITH MY RAGE!

[/ QUOTE ]

You eat fools for a living? That can't be a good diet.

Instead of your 13 year-old defensive response, why don't you prove us all wrong with your stats, and "MIT boy."

[/ QUOTE ]

If he eats fools for a living, he's a cannibal.

[UATrewqaz]

I was that dumb litle kid destroying his teeth trying to bite into it WAAAAAY before the cany shell was even close to being thin enough.

[Beavis68]

[ QUOTE ]
That sucks that it's rigged...for you, because it's allowing me to win.

Maybe I sold my soul?

[/ QUOTE ]

No, you are just another fish that the site rewards to keep you playing, while they run off all the real players.

[Synergistic Explosions]

[ QUOTE ]
I seriously believe the OP is a Party Poker employee.

[/ QUOTE ]

He is. I had a friend from MIT run some data, and it showed he was a Dikshit.

[Sciolist]

So what if I request the last ten million hands played on the site and run them through Poker Tracker? What if a player with a million hands asks for his hand history? We'll send them to him. How could we do that if we didn't have complete confidence in the shuffle? We could simply say "nope, we're not sending you the hands", like other sites do.

[Sciolist]

Aberate maybe?

[FlFishOn]

"So what if I request the last ten million hands played on the site and run them through Poker Tracker?"

This will not be a test of all possible cheating schemes. It's quite difficult to do rigorously. Even when well done, assuming the site is dishonest, you will have little more than stong tangental indictment, not proof.

Actual proof lies in the source code.

[smoore]

Sample size too small.

[Mike Haven]

I'm glad to see they are moving with the times.

Pokerstars is rigged, July 2002 Version (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=140039&amp;an=0&amp;page=3422&amp;vc =1)

[Sciolist]

So does this mean you distrust the auditing companies that've seen the source code?

[prayformojo]

[ QUOTE ]
Yum. I always thought you needed one of those little torches. The kind that are only owned by people with egg separators and stoneware that matches their wallpaper border.

[/ QUOTE ]

The crystallization of the sugar does work best with a blowtorch, but forget the small "specialty" cooking torches. An old fashioned manly hardware store blowtorch quickly creates a crisp golden shell without heating your custard through.

Specialty torches are for food fetishists who think nothing can enter their kitchen unless it looks cute on a doily.

[BigBiceps]

It is sad that party and stars are rigged. I can't prove it and I wish they weren't but there are too many unusual events (especially with all-ins in the tourneys).

This is also why they are the biggest sites, due to the sucessful "evening out" distribution of money to the players. ie. strong players win less than they should and weak players lose less than they should.

That is why I play on other servers.

[Ro-me-ro]

Since what we (stars) do is so obvious to you, then it won't be very hard for you to prove it then by showing us the clear anomolies in your hand histories. (Assuming sample size not too small)

Simply send an email to support and we will send you all your hand histories for review. You don't even need to mention this post...

[Eder]

*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #2820330724: Tournament #13821765, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2005/10/16 - 19:12:58 (ET) Table '13821765 38' Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: ludonja (28865 in chips)
Seat 2: ballarat (10115 in chips)
Seat 3: Eder (4405 in chips)
Seat 4: TxDozerMan (24606 in chips)
Seat 5: heusden (12600 in chips)
Seat 6: Brawnson (23015 in chips)
Seat 7: SHACA (10035 in chips)
Seat 8: gregisme56 (6185 in chips)
Seat 9: Sweetwater44 (1790 in chips)
ludonja: posts the ante 25
ballarat: posts the ante 25
Eder: posts the ante 25
TxDozerMan: posts the ante 25
heusden: posts the ante 25
Brawnson: posts the ante 25
SHACA: posts the ante 25
gregisme56: posts the ante 25
Sweetwater44: posts the ante 25
Sweetwater44: posts small blind 100
ludonja: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Eder [As Ad]
ballarat: folds
Eder: calls 200
TxDozerMan: folds
heusden: raises 200 to 400
Brawnson: calls 400
SHACA: folds
gregisme56: folds
Sweetwater44: folds
ludonja: calls 200
Eder: raises 3980 to 4380 and is all-in
heusden: calls 3980
Brawnson: folds
ludonja: folds
*** FLOP *** [6c Jd Kh]
*** TURN *** [6c Jd Kh] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [6c Jd Kh Qs] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Eder: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces)
heusden: shows [Ks Qh] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
heusden collected 9885 from pot


<font color="red"> 5 for 5 this weekend </font>

[Ro-me-ro]

[ QUOTE ]
Eder: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces)
heusden: shows [Ks Qh] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
heusden collected 9885 from pot


5 for 5 this weekend

[/ QUOTE ]

Clearly you forgot about the last 10 times you were dealt AA, where you won. Infact the last time you lost with AA was 2005/09/24 - 23:39:10.

Edit, yes it is possible that you are just talking about "out draws" in general. You don't specifically mention losing 5/5 with AA. If so then I humbly appologise.

[FlFishOn]

I'm not convinced that any auditors have seen source code.

[Eder]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Eder: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces)
heusden: shows [Ks Qh] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
heusden collected 9885 from pot


5 for 5 this weekend

[/ QUOTE ]

Clearly you forgot about the last 10 times you were dealt AA, where you won. Infact the last time you lost with AA was 2005/09/24 - 23:39:10.

Edit, yes it is possible that you are just talking about "out draws" in general. You don't specifically mention losing 5/5 with AA. If so then I humbly appologise.

[/ QUOTE ]

I posted for twisted humor to amuse myself at work....I play Pstars and am happy to be there. The 5/5 is regarding 5 similar tourney exits in a row this weekend, 2 AA, 3 KK money in preflop on 3 different sites...guess they're all rigged lol. cheers!

[mbpoker]

from http://www.pokerstars.com/rng_audit.html

"Cigital analyzed the source code, entropy sources and documentation for PokerStars' RNG implementation. In addition, a sample RNG output stream provided by PokerStars was subjected to - and passed - FIPS 140-1 testing. Using standard methods for exploiting RNGs and having full access to the source code, Cigital was unable to break the PokerStars RNG. Cigital found that the PokerStars implementation adheres to the current state-of-the-practice in generating random seeding values."

[FlFishOn]

Good deal. Stars has maybe been honestly audited. I've done my own tests there and have no doubts.

I'd bet my bankroll that the same is not true for Party.

[Jim Easton]

Party has been analyzed. I am making no claims about validity or techniques or anything, only that there has been one.

web page (http://www.partypoker.com/PartyPoker_card_analysis_report.pdf)

[Reef]

[ QUOTE ]
It is sad that party and stars are rigged. I can't prove it and I wish they weren't but there are too many unusual events (especially with all-ins in the tourneys).

This is also why they are the biggest sites, due to the sucessful "evening out" distribution of money to the players. ie. strong players win less than they should and weak players lose less than they should.

That is why I'm a losing poker player.

[/ QUOTE ]

fixed. apologies if I missed the sarcasm

[William]

Boring thread, but has Stars made a post saying that Party is rigged and they are not? That's their style lately.... /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Ro-me-ro]

Actually William, I defended them this (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=3694365&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;s b=5&amp;o=&amp;vc=1) is time /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[William]

[ QUOTE ]
Actually William, I defended them this (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=3694365&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;s b=5&amp;o=&amp;vc=1) is time /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL, well done, you are learning /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Hornacek]

I'm an MIT graduate! I got my Bachelors and Masters in Computer Science. Who is your friend? If he really exists, PM me his name, I'll search through the alumni directory.

And no way its off by 21%. Statistically, over 1 million hands, that standard deviation difference is ASTRONOMICAL.

[FlFishOn]

Not exactly Price Waterhouse, eh? Bet the stockholders can point to it with conviction though.

Me, I'm not on board yet. Doesn't it almost go without saying that any outfit that's buggering the deal might be smart enough to bugger the audit as well.

[GrannyMae]

Doesn't it almost go without saying that any outfit that's buggering the deal might be smart enough to bugger the audit as well.


not when the auditor has the source code.

you are a kook with zero redeeming qualities.

go away

[Aytumious]

[ QUOTE ]
Not exactly Price Waterhouse, eh? Bet the stockholders can point to it with conviction though.

Me, I'm not on board yet. Doesn't it almost go without saying that any outfit that's buggering the deal might be smart enough to bugger the audit as well.

[/ QUOTE ]

Independent auditors are rigged.

[Reef]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Not exactly Price Waterhouse, eh? Bet the stockholders can point to it with conviction though.

Me, I'm not on board yet. Doesn't it almost go without saying that any outfit that's buggering the deal might be smart enough to bugger the audit as well.

[/ QUOTE ]

Independent auditors are rigged.

[/ QUOTE ]

stocks and live poker are also rigged

[BlackRain]

Good thread so far, thanks for the tips. Any good recipes for brownies out there?

Edit: Made a bunch of that vanilla creme brullee yesterday. Was absolutely delicious, keep em coming!

[J_B]

The green brownies are the best.

Yup, thats exactly my point!

[vabogee]

I would like to take this opportunity to announce that i, vabogee, am rigged.

[JJNJustin]

Ir'm a little skeptical of online poker, but this post is ridiculous. As is the use of poker tracker to insure a fair distribution of hands. If online poker sites are going to cheat, they're not going to change the distribution of hands from normal, as this would surely create suspicion. Nor do they have to. They simply have to have access or knowledge of the winning hand before the cards are dealt out, which is entirely possible. They could exploit this information in many ways, including bots or paid shills...

-J

[Sciolist]

So why don't you post the data? Or tell us your User ID on PS? Or tell us who ran the analysis? Or post the analysis results? Or answer any sensible questions?

[Sciolist]

Sure, but you then run into the same problem of hiding that. If PokerStars say "We do not employ shillls" (which we do say, and which we do not do), then a shill simply has to say to us "Please give me a million dollars or I'm going to post on 2 + 2 with details of my employment with you, and you are going to lose all credibility and thus your customer base".

Do you see any such posts?

[Sciolist]

And incidentally, I obviously work for PS. I'm not a millionaire though :]

[JJNJustin]

[ QUOTE ]
Sure, but you then run into the same problem of hiding that. If PokerStars say "We do not employ shillls" (which we do say, and which we do not do), then a shill simply has to say to us "Please give me a million dollars or I'm going to post on 2 + 2 with details of my employment with you, and you are going to lose all credibility and thus your customer base".

Do you see any such posts?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not suggesting they do use shills, I'm just saying that the original posters argument is ludicrous.

-J

[Sciolist]

Fair enough, I guess I like arguing too much :]

[DrPhysic]

Is it apparent to anybody but me, that:
1) somebody named riggedpokerstars has but one purpose in posting here,
2) somebody with a grand total of 5 posts is truly one of the long standing respected posters around here,
3) 1.3M hands would be an insufficient sample by at least a factor of 100 if not 1000,
4) the "super math wiz" is not to be named,
5) no data, analysis, or statistics are presented,
6) no evidence of the existence of 'bots' is presented,
7) the "places we know that use them" will remain unnamed.

I don't think the worst of Stars competition would stoop to making this post.

We are sorry you lost your $50.

Go away.

Doc

[Pondy]

Bots or paid inside pro's - who cares, they still gotta be able to win.

I'm up on every site I play on (MTT's) and thats over a span of 2 years.

[FlFishOn]

They didn't examine the code you fool.

Use 'ignore' and save your BP.

[Jim Easton]

[ QUOTE ]
They didn't examine the code you fool.

[/ QUOTE ]

Let's see . . .

PartyGaming Poker system currently comply with level-3 standards.

This is from the bottom of the Random Number Generator Certificate. Go to the PartyPoker webpage and the iTech certification icon is at the bottom.

iTech Labs standards (http://www.itechlabs.com.au/gaming/iTech_Labs_IGS_Standards.pdf)

"Level 3 Certification includes Level-2 certification plus the following: 1. Verification of source code . . .".

[GrannyMae]

[ QUOTE ]
They didn't examine the code you fool.

Use 'ignore' and save your BP.

[/ QUOTE ]


In May 2003, PokerStars submitted extensive information about the PokerStars random number generator (RNG) to two independent organizations. We asked these two trusted resources to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on PokerStars.

BMM International is an independent testing agency and consulting practice involved with the design, evaluation, implementation, testing and management of computer and Internet systems. The company tests and certifies all forms of conventional and electronic commerce computer systems and networks, specializing in gaming, wagering and sports betting systems.

PokerStars provided BMM with the source code for its RNG and shuffle, and software that PokerStars uses to protect the security of random numbers.<font color="red"> BMM then subjected the source code and the output of the RNG to rigorous testing, including the Marsaglia Die Hard tests.</font>


as i said.

troll of the century...

[Aytumious]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
They didn't examine the code you fool.

Use 'ignore' and save your BP.

[/ QUOTE ]


In May 2003, PokerStars submitted extensive information about the PokerStars random number generator (RNG) to two independent organizations. We asked these two trusted resources to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on PokerStars.

BMM International is an independent testing agency and consulting practice involved with the design, evaluation, implementation, testing and management of computer and Internet systems. The company tests and certifies all forms of conventional and electronic commerce computer systems and networks, specializing in gaming, wagering and sports betting systems.

PokerStars provided BMM with the source code for its RNG and shuffle, and software that PokerStars uses to protect the security of random numbers.<font color="red"> BMM then subjected the source code and the output of the RNG to rigorous testing, including the Marsaglia Die Hard tests.</font>


as i said.

troll of the century...

[/ QUOTE ]

GrannyMae is rigged.

[FlFishOn]

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.......

[POKhER]

how has this gay post got to 13pages?

[Mike Haven]

[ QUOTE ]
.......

[/ QUOTE ]

As riggedpokerstars has now resorted to unnecessary bumping, unless you guys want this thread to resurface every time he decides to drop in to the Zoo I will be happy to lock it.

Does anyone object?

lock it? so u must be with team pokerstars eh? way to go there! just even adds to the fact you all are nothin but donkeys.

[Hornacek]

[ QUOTE ]
lock it? so u must be with team pokerstars eh? way to go there! just even adds to the fact you all are nothin but donkeys.

[/ QUOTE ]
die plz

[Jim Easton]

nm

[jman220]

[ QUOTE ]
lock it? so u must be with team pokerstars eh? way to go there! just even adds to the fact you all are nothin but donkeys.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, it is rigged, and we all work for them. We took your money, and you are never getting it back! HA! Sucks to be you.

[gabbahh]

To OP:
Please repost in Other Other Topics so [censored] can [censored] ban yo a$$.

[gabyyyyy]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
They didn't examine the code you fool.

Use 'ignore' and save your BP.

[/ QUOTE ]


In May 2003, PokerStars submitted extensive information about the PokerStars random number generator (RNG) to two independent organizations. We asked these two trusted resources to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on PokerStars.

BMM International is an independent testing agency and consulting practice involved with the design, evaluation, implementation, testing and management of computer and Internet systems. The company tests and certifies all forms of conventional and electronic commerce computer systems and networks, specializing in gaming, wagering and sports betting systems.

PokerStars provided BMM with the source code for its RNG and shuffle, and software that PokerStars uses to protect the security of random numbers.<font color="red"> BMM then subjected the source code and the output of the RNG to rigorous testing, including the Marsaglia Die Hard tests.</font>


as i said.

troll of the century...

[/ QUOTE ]

When you have enough money you can get companies to say just about anything you want them to.

IE. Arthur Andersen/Enron

[gabbahh]

Yawn. Really. Again.
Must.resist.

Citypoker is just as bad. I've played QQ numerous times as a short stack and lose 90% of the time to inferior hands. A/K twice(I can live with) K/10, JJ, 7/7, the list goes on. Talking to them is a waste. One host I talked to didn't know what QQ meant. Don't waste your time on this one.

[checkmate36]

Hero folds

[ QUOTE ]
I believe the best candy bars out there are twix bars. They're really quite good. Snickers are the next best.

Worst candy? Tootsie rolls. They look like chocolate, but they're not, they're some kind of chewy tasteless crap. Why fill the wrapper with tootsie roll when they could put chocolate in instead? There's just no excuse for that.

[/ QUOTE ]

Tootsie rolls are rigged.

[Percy101]

Online wrestling is rigged.