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10-13-2005, 11:02 PM
Since I've started keeping track...I'm looking for advice here. Should I change my strategy? Keep it? Quit playing these? I'm open for any kinds of discussion. I'm really frustrated now. It's been since the 2nd one since I've sniffed a final table. Tonight I flopped two sets only to lose to higher sets. It's tough. Maybe I'm not cut out for this.

Feedback welcome.

Date Time Buy In Players Finish Payout
9/21 10:30 $ 3 1,576 601 -
9/21 10:47 $ 2 1,247 4 $162.12
9/22 9:47 $ 2 1,637 1,091 -
9/23 7:45 $10 1,797 959 -
9/25 9:47 $3 2,112 137 $5.61
9/28 10:30 $2 1,366 876 -
9/30 7:45 $10 1,578 248 -
9/30 10:30 $2 2,022 443 -
9/30 9:47 $2 1,296 52 $5.68
9/30 9:17 $2 2,029 302 -
10/5 9:32 $2 1,989 624 -
10/5 10:17 $3 1,688 321 -
10/5 10:30 $1 1,516 64 $1.70
10/6 10:30 $3 1,438 486 -
10/6 10:47 $1 997 443
10/6 11:02 $2 1,231 70 $4.92
10/7 4:02 $3 1,336 70 $8.01
10/7 7:45 $10 1,640 693 -
10/8 7:45 $10 1,688 331 -
10/9 3:15 $10 988 135 -
10/9 6:30 $2 2,403 1,196
10/9 7:45 $10 1,941 714 -
10/9 8:00 $3 2,352 275
10/10 9:02 $1 1,748 37 $5.25
10/10 9:47 $3 1,654 343
10/10 10:17 $2 1,060 81 $4.24
10/12 10:30 $3 1,398 575
10/12 10:47 $2 1,101 42 $6.61
10/13 9:47 $2 1,428 924
10/13 10:30 $3 1,336 924

Exitonly
10-13-2005, 11:11 PM
1 final table in 30 tournaments is fine... better than 3%..

if all of your tournaments were in the 1-3 $ range, you'd have a decent ROI now.

pfkaok
10-13-2005, 11:13 PM
Just FYI i've played about 200 tourneys in the past month or so, and i'm pretty sure my ROI isn't close to accurate.

look more at how good of spots your putting yourself in... how many mistakes you're making vs. how many they're making. post hands and look at that stuff. for ROI, and accuracy it takes a LONG tims.

10-13-2005, 11:13 PM
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1 final table in 30 tournaments is fine... better than 3%..

if all of your tournaments were in the 1-3 $ range, you'd have a decent ROI now.

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yeah, the 3:15 AM tournaments I play are the ones where I drink from 11 to 2:30 in the bar. I actually play decent in them looking at my hand histories. Just some bad luck and some misplayed hands here and there.

With a $750 bankroll, where I have about $200 worth of live poker backup, is it too early to play the $10?

Exitonly
10-13-2005, 11:20 PM
Yep.. you have absolutely nothing to get discouraged about... Those results look fine, justt keep playing.

Get like 500 tournaments and you'll have a better feel for where you're at.

10-13-2005, 11:27 PM
You too huh. Ever since I got that spreadsheet from exit I seem to stink it up, lol.

Actually, as I type this I was eliminated in the very first hand of a tournament. Raise PF with 99, board 442 all-in with another guy with 55 who hits runner-runner straight. Nice.

Bad streaks happen, especially with these MTTs. Yesterday I had a terrible beat that cost me the final table when there were 3 tables left in a 1000 person MTT.

Don't mean to make this a bad beat post, but you just need to keep playing your best game and 1 tournament you'll magically have no bad beats and everything goes your way. I'm sure you've had it happen to you before.

GL

-Chris

Lloyd
10-13-2005, 11:34 PM
You've had 9 cashes out of 30, that's way above average. Obviously your ROI is pretty good with your final table payoff. You can't expect to regularly make the final table in tournies with over 1,000 people. Come on. That's just ridiculous. The average person will make the final table in a 1,000 person tourney 1% of the time. So if you're twice as good as the average person you're at 2% of the time. 30 tournies is way too small of a sample. But even looking at the sample you're doing fine.

So the answer might be yes, you're not cut out for this. You have to be able to handle the major swings and losing streaks of tournies. In the limited sample size you've shown that you have some skills for the buy-ins your playing. The question is whether or not you have the emotional composition necessary. I don't know you so I'm obviously not making a personal judgement. But that's what it comes down to.

As for moving into the 10s, it's all about the bankroll. I'd want at least $500 if not more. MTTs can be painful and you need the financial (as well as emotional) capability to get through the tough times.

It also seems like you're grasping at straws right now. I take that from your Sammy Farha post earlier. Sure, it might work. But it seems like you are unnecessarily getting desperate. Without knowing the details of your tourneys, my guess is that you could be a little passive around the bubble time when the big stacks are built. Yeah, it's great to build a big stack right off the bat but it's rare to do so. The way many big stacks are built (besides luck) is by taking advantage of weak players on the bubble. The fact that you've made the money a good % of the time but haven't gone deep except once might indicate that making the money is more important to you than going deep. Just something to consider, and again I don't know you so I'm discussing more from generalities than specifics.

So in sum, as long as you can get over the emotional humps keep playing MTTs as you probably have the ability to do well in the long-term.

C-Dog
10-14-2005, 12:17 AM
Your sample size is too small. You have 1 final table, that is pretty good, once decent final table in the micro tourneys is pretty much a good month.

The key to tourneys is that it only takes 1 top 5+ tourney and your in good shape. You cant win them all.

C-Dog