Drawing Dead Preflop with KK

[DoomSlice]

You're at the final table of a multitable tournament, 6 players remain. You look down and see a handsome pair of cowboys staring right back at you in the BB. Before the action gets to you, something miraculous happens. EVERY PLAYER AHEAD OF YOU GOES ALL IN! You call, happy to get it in with this monster pair.

The first two show their cards... QQ and QQ! Hurray! You think, there is no way they'll win. Then the next guy turns over AA, and so does the next guy! DAMN! Well at least I can hit a King to win it. But what about the last guy... he flips KK! You get up from the table, knowing that you've already lost.

So the next time you see those cowboys, take a second and think before you reach for those chips. You may already be dead.

umm... what about flopped straights?

[BruceZ]

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umm... what about flopped straights?

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Pairs can't flop a straight, and nobody but QQ can make a straight with all 4 kings and all 4 queens gone.

[yellowjack]

Folding would have a cash EV of ~15-30% of the prize pool.

[Kaeser]

I'll be sure to remember this for all those times I get kings and every player at the table goes all-in.


Wait what if I get aces on the first hand of the WSOP main event and everyone goes all-in in front of me!!! Should I call then?

[Luzion]

Eh? Depends on how much you value playing at the tournament compared to getting a large stack early on.

[fnord_too]

Make the first two guys have tens and two more with 5's and you have it. As it is, everyone can chop. (ex. Board comes 34567 no four flush)

Actually you don´t need to have two guys with AA. As long as one is sitting with AA in the same suit as your kings you can draw dead with only 5 people at the table.

[mackthefork]

Wait lol, this is the easiest fold in the world, 2nd is virtually guaranteed.

Mack

I was wondering based on this question. What is the minimum number of players where you can daw dead preflop with AA? My guess would be around 11 opponents, but I havn't checked.

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I was wondering based on this question. What is the minimum number of players where you can daw dead preflop with AA? My guess would be around 11 opponents, but I havn't checked.

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I don't think this is possible. Couldn't you make one of two flushes still?

If there are not four cards of your suit left, then you cannot draw the flush :-)
Here is a 12 hand table I entered into twodimes.net

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ad 0 0.00 98268 99.99 12 0.01 0.000
Ac Ah 8124 8.27 90144 91.72 12 0.01 0.083
Ks Kd 0 0.00 98044 99.76 236 0.24 0.001
Kc Kh 48 0.05 97996 99.71 236 0.24 0.002
Qs Qd 21850 22.23 76418 77.76 12 0.01 0.222
Js Jd 16130 16.41 82138 83.58 12 0.01 0.164
Ts Td 12134 12.35 86134 87.64 12 0.01 0.123
9s 9d 9730 9.90 88538 90.09 12 0.01 0.099
8s 8d 8468 8.62 89800 91.37 12 0.01 0.086
7s 6d 9591 9.76 88677 90.23 12 0.01 0.098
5s 4d 8814 8.97 89454 91.02 12 0.01 0.090
3s 2d 3155 3.21 95113 96.78 12 0.01 0.032

Here our hero with As Ad is drawing dead. Or actually technically he is not drawing dead, he can still hope for the board to show a straight flush for a split pot with everyone. That goes also for the rest of the hands in this thread well. Fiddeling with the cards, I guess you could construct a 15 player table where the AA cannot even get a split of the pot. Mabye 14 players if you are good.

[soko]

That's right! You're not drawing dead with the possibility of a split, FLOP: 345 TURN: 6 RIVER: 7

[AJo Go All In]

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You get up from the table, knowing that you've already lost.

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wrong, straight on board