Back to back hands vs Aggro

[thatpfunk]

Villian is very aggro from my notes and previous stats but I am pretty new to the table. He seems to be the reason this table has a list.

I think this hand is pretty standard but it may have some bearing on the second (plus gives an examples of his aggro-ness):
Party Poker $200 (6 max) 6 players
CO has $638.42
Button has $171.20
SB has $312.25
BB has $240.75
UTG has $234
MP has $257.30

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Hero raises 8. , MP folds. , CO calls 8. , Button folds. , SB folds. , BB folds. ,

Flop: 2 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 4 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 4 /images/graemlins/heart.gif
Pot size:$19 or 10 SB ( Players 2 )
Hero bets 18. , CO calls 18. ,

Turn: 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif
Pot size:$55 or 14 BB ( Players 2 )
Hero checks. , CO bets 30. , Hero raises 100. , CO goes all-in 582.42 , Hero goes all-in 108 ,

Final Pot = $875.42 or 219 BB

Hero wins with KK vs Villians 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.

Now the hand in question. I'm having trouble thinking of a decent line, I probably mucked this up from the start:

MP is the donk in question
Party Poker $200 (6 max) 6 players
MP has $404.42
CO has $171.20
Button has $311.25
SB has $238.75
Hero has $468
UTG has $257.30

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG folds. , MP calls 2. , CO folds. , Button calls 2. , SB raises 7. , Hero calls 6. , MP calls 6. , Button calls 6. ,

Flop: 2 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif K /images/graemlins/heart.gif
Pot size:$32 or 16 SB ( Players 4 )
SB bets 20. , Hero raises 40. , MP calls 40. , Button folds. , SB calls 20. ,

Turn: 8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Pot size:$152 or 38 BB ( Players 3 )
SB checks. , Hero bets 125...

Am I folding to a raise? I don't know. Also SB could easily have AhK... bleh. I think my flop raise should definetly have been more, but it was done for a reason (that didn't get me where i thought i was going to be) and now I am stuck.

[djoyce003]

hand 1 - fine.
Hand 2 - you can't fold to a raise because his stack isn't deep enough. Even if he raises you have odds at the FH.

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hand 1 - fine.
Hand 2 - you can't fold to a raise because his stack isn't deep enough. Even if he raises you have odds at the FH.

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Agree. I just looked up the actual odds of improving your set, and it's even better than I thought.

If he reraises your turn bet, you're looking at calling another $113 in something like a $400 pot, giving you about 1:4 pot odds.

Odds of making a full house or better by turn: 1:5.7
.....................................by river: 1:2

Yes, 1:2 !!!!

Learning this, if a small-mid stack pushes me all in with a possible straight/flush on the board, and the pot odds are still reasonable, you should probably always be calling these bets.

Trips hold up pretty well, and 1:2 is damn good

Anyone else play trips this way?

[thatpfunk]

im looking for an alternate line, i know i *can't* fold.

[xorbie]

Raise to $60 on the flop. You're giving waaay too good odds to the deepstack MP who has position on you with the minraise.

[Malachii]

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Raise to $60 on the flop. You're giving waaay too good odds to the deepstack MP who has position on you with the minraise.

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[goofball]

I would probably just raise pot on the flop.

[Go_Blue88]

Why'd you min-raise? To induce Villian to reraise? To represent the Ah?

I guess it sorta worked as it got you HU with Villian, but you want the pot to be bigger on the turn.

I think after the flop the hand plays itself. Against an over-aggro bad villian, this is a hand I'm willing to risk losing my stack to if he got lucky and flopped the flush.


An aside question:

Sometimes in these situations against decent opponents I'll smoothcall the flop. Do you think that this is a mistake?

[thatpfunk]

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Why'd you min-raise? To induce Villian to reraise? To represent the Ah?

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I was actually looking for the SB to reraise. He was a very tight preflop raiser who was aggro post. I thought there was a good chance he would give me the oppurtunity to get it in with him holding Ah. I guess you could say it backfired just a little.

[thatpfunk]

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An aside question:

Sometimes in these situations against decent opponents I'll smoothcall the flop. Do you think that this is a mistake?

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If everything feels right, yes. However, in these games, in my experiences, people don't trust outright aggression much and it often pays off more than being overly tricky.