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chadsworth
10-13-2005, 06:38 PM
No reads, first blind level

***** Hand History for Game 2852371243 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16453951 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, October 13, 18:05:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 35028 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: howlucky1 ( $800 )
Seat 3: Littleone333 ( $800 )
Seat 6: BC4ME ( $655 )
Seat 7: natural2nyg ( $800 )
Seat 9: vincent5944 ( $745 )
Seat 10: spider_joe ( $800 )
Seat 5: jmecks11 ( $800 )
Seat 8: Hero ( $1000 )
Seat 2: carlitos5 ( $800 )
Seat 4: johnfrinkyII ( $800 )
Trny:16453951 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8h Jh ]
spider_joe calls [15].
howlucky1 folds.
carlitos5 calls [15].
Littleone333 folds.
johnfrinkyII folds.
jmecks11 folds.
BC4ME calls [15].
natural2nyg folds.
Hero calls [5].
vincent5944 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Js, 6c ]
Hero bets [45].
vincent5944 calls [45].
spider_joe calls [45].
carlitos5 calls [45].
BC4ME calls [45].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
Hero bets [200].
vincent5944 raises [400].
spider_joe folds.
carlitos5 folds.
BC4ME is all-In [595]
Hero ?

Little feed back would be great, I don't think that BC4ME would put his whole stack on the line with one pair

runner4life7
10-13-2005, 06:46 PM
its a 10+1 so it could be anything, but most likely a straight and with the other guy already raised before him I think i drop it, but you do have outs to a full house.

psyduck
10-13-2005, 06:46 PM
Bet more on the flop or check/raise a good amount.

I think you can fold the turn, but it's been a while since I've played a 10+1, I don't know what kind of donkishness goes on there. Looks very much like someone has a higher two pair or a straight.

10-13-2005, 06:48 PM
On the flop: I either check/raise or check/call and lead the turn, depending if the bet came from EP or LP respectively.

A case could also be made for folding pf.

Bleh to your turn action, I'd probably fold thinking I'm beat...but at the $11s you'd be surprised how often your not here.

chadsworth
10-13-2005, 07:01 PM
I can't fold pre-flop for 5 chips here, thanks you for your thoughs I did fold and the raiser called with AQ the other donk that pushed had KQ. You got to love those 11's

10-13-2005, 11:43 PM
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I can't fold pre-flop for 5 chips here

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You really should. You'd be surprised how often a goofy 2-pair from the blinds that you would never play otherwise gets counterfeited and costs you your stack. J8 is a horrible hand for pretty much every price. Nice results, though.

w_alloy
10-14-2005, 02:08 AM
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You really should. You'd be surprised how often a goofy 2-pair from the blinds that you would never play otherwise gets counterfeited and costs you your stack. J8 is a horrible hand for pretty much every price. Nice results, though.

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The only way this could be true is if you have poor post-flop skills. Anyone who can beat the game should play this. Oviously you arent giving up a ton if you fold, but I dont think the desicion is close.

se2schul
10-14-2005, 11:20 AM
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I can't fold pre-flop for 5 chips here

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You really should. You'd be surprised how often a goofy 2-pair from the blinds that you would never play otherwise gets counterfeited and costs you your stack. J8 is a horrible hand for pretty much every price. Nice results, though.

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14:1 is a fold?
You're playing OOP so you need to tread carefully postflop, but I can't fold for 14:1 when it's costing me 1/2 of 1% of my stack.

0.5% getting 14:1 = sweet.

10-14-2005, 11:26 AM
The odds mean I'm calling this pre flop but honestly, the amount of chips I've lost with donkish two pairs on the flop is unreal.

From now on I'm open pushing any two pair on the flop, it's just not worth letting anyone else see ANY cards. That flop bet is far far too small by the way, if your going to play it play it very hard.

10-14-2005, 11:26 AM
I just went to my fridge and a bearded prophet told me this:

"It's an 11 dollar sit and go on party, your opponents are really stupid, holdem"

10-14-2005, 11:27 AM
Also, I'm folding this.

junkmail3
10-14-2005, 11:33 AM
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The odds mean I'm calling this pre flop but honestly, the amount of chips I've lost with donkish two pairs on the flop is unreal.

From now on I'm open pushing any two pair on the flop, it's just not worth letting anyone else see ANY cards. That flop bet is far far too small by the way, if your going to play it play it very hard.

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Hang around here for a while. You'll get a little better. You sound like you have bad beatitis.

There really shouldn't be any debate about the preflop call, even with only 3 limpers.

Like others have said. Preflop bet should be a little bigger, or check raise. I'd call the turn push.

10-14-2005, 11:48 AM
Uh it wasn't a bad beat post. All I was saying is from my own experience dodgy flop two pairs are asking for trouble. I'd bet them harder than that.

Thanks for being so understanding captain condescension. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

junkmail3
10-14-2005, 12:55 PM
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Uh it wasn't a bad beat post. All I was saying is from my own experience dodgy flop two pairs are asking for trouble. I'd bet them harder than that.

Thanks for being so understanding captain condescension. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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I wasn't trying to be condescending, I was just trying to voice the fact that you are ignoring the fundamentals of poker when you say something like, 'I fold crap like that because I don't WANT to hit two pair.' When you hit two pair here, you'll win more than you'll lose (if you can play it post flop).

GtrHtr
10-14-2005, 01:07 PM
I think you have to call this. I think you are facing AJ and probably AQ or AQ and two overcards. The reason I don't think you are facing a set here is due to the pf action. On the 11s, the standard line on playing 66-TT is to raise 3xBB, much the way you should be playing your premium hands.

PF - if you chose to play for the additional 5 chips, you seriously need to determine what your line is going to be before you commit those 5 little chips. With this hand as an example, at a minimum, you need to ID how far you are willing to go on a h flush board and (what is the only other reason to play this hand IMO) what your line will be if you hit 2 pair.

Please tell me you didn't fold.

zambonidrivr
10-14-2005, 01:12 PM
fold preflop

10-14-2005, 01:22 PM
Wow, pretty sure I said absolutely nothing like that.