String Bet?

[KJL]

I was at a home game the other day, when this hand came up. Basically, it was a heads-up pot on the flop, between the host and a new player. The host bet $10 and the new player said; "I see your $10 and raise you all-in". Now the host was semi-bluffing and didn't want to be raised. He called a string bet on the new player. The new player said it was acceptable to say; "I see and raise" but not "I call and raise". Nobody was really sure on the correct ruling but, we decided that we would give the new player the benefit of the doubt here. Just wondering the correct ruling.

[spicychili]

First words out of your mouth are binding. I see ......


That is calling the bet.

[paperboyNC]

Yes, it's a string bet and shouldn't be allowed.

[vox]

My brother brought one of his girlfriends to my Wednesday night $10 NLHE game, and was playing like a maniac. She said "I call the $2 and raise...; I said "the hell you do", and enforced the string bet rule like a true nit.

Strangely, what my brother got mad about was when I told her "your fives are good" and she called my all-in on the river. My hand was good, and they left shortly after. I don't see her with him much anymore.

[KJL]

Thanks guys, I couldn't see any difference between "I call" and "I see" either, but just wanted to be sure.

[tonypaladino]

100% string raise.

[CrazyN8]

string bet

it was probably a good move not beating him over the head with a chair, also.

[somapopper]

If there was a pause i.e.:

I see your bet.....
AND Raise you all in! Hahaha!

then it's a string bet.

However, if he said it all at once, which seemed to be the case from your post, claiming this is a sting bet is not cool.

1. The host is trying to angle shoot in his own damn game, he should try and have some class.

2. It's a string bet in Vegas, but you aren't in Vegas.

3. The application of the rule here clearly violates the spirit of the rule, like asking to see a mucked hand when you don't suspect collusion.

To the other posters: when you sit down at a game, do you find yourself nodding in agreement when the eighty year old nit bursts out in rage after an hour of silence about some minor violation of the rules that is usually directed at the bigest donator in the game? Don't be that guy people. Don't be that guy.

edit: Didn't mean to sound overly harsh. If y'all believe this rule is necessary to run a smooth game, I accept that. This just seems like taking it too far to me.

[Lottery Larry]

It's a string raise.

[KJL]

I agree, the host was definitely taking it too far. Most of the players didn't think the new player was right, we sided with the new player because no body ever calls string bets and the host was just trying to see the turn for free.

[Lottery Larry]

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edit: Didn't mean to sound overly harsh. If y'all believe this rule is necessary to run a smooth game, I accept that. This just seems like taking it too far to me.

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See my other reply, about home games being training grounds for casino games and therefore teaching correct practices makes sense.

[MookieBlaylock]

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edit: Didn't mean to sound overly harsh. If y'all believe this rule is necessary to run a smooth game, I accept that. This just seems like taking it too far to me.

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I agree, but on the same token, arent home games a little looser (and less uptight) than a casino? Dont get me wrong, I am all for following the rules, but cmon. This new player may be a "newbie" and not know any better.

[tonypaladino]

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If there was a pause i.e.:

I see your bet.....
AND Raise you all in! Hahaha!

then it's a string bet.

However, if he said it all at once, which seemed to be the case from your post, claiming this is a sting bet is not cool.

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No

I probably would have let it go one time, seeing as the guy was a newbie. If he did it again, though, I'd shoot him in the foot.

[Thalum]

My home games run completely the opposite. If I don;t see at least one string bet per hand, it's a miracle. Nothing is enforced however, because these people seriously have no clue about the finer points of the game, and If I was to call every string bet I probably would end up without a game. I'm contenet to just sit back and let them string bet all day, because I know that they seriosuly aren't doing it on purpose.

Yes, as some have said we should be training these people for the casino's, but if any of the poeople that populate my homegame ever played poker in a casino, I'd eat my underwear, just not going to happen.

The worst string bet I've ever seen at my game actually happened last night:

Blinds are 300/600 and this girl throws out 300 in chips. I tell her that the minimum bet is 600, so she pulls the 300 and makes it 1000. I'm like wtf, and she goes "I though I had to put in 150, and wanted to raise, so since the minimum bet is 600, I'll make it 1000"

yeesh. Ah well, all in good fun /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[somapopper]

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If there was a pause i.e.:

I see your bet.....
AND Raise you all in! Hahaha!

then it's a string bet.

However, if he said it all at once, which seemed to be the case from your post, claiming this is a sting bet is not cool.

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No

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Well, there's no arguing with that.

Licks Tony.

100 % string bet. The host wasn't trying to see a free card, simply enforcing a proper rule of poker. The new player should of said something like..

raise you all in
or
all in
or
pushed all their chips in

Remember, an oral bet is binding and trhe proepr words to use are, fold, call, raise or check.

[Hofzinser]

Seeing as this was clearly not an attempt at angle-shooting, and the guy thought he was announcing his raise in a legitimate way, I think it would be seriously nitty to forbid the raise.

However, you should have taken the opportunity to explain the rules to him, and tell him that in future he must announce raise immediately or it will be counted as a call only.

That's what happens in my local card club when a newbie does this, and I think it's by far the fairest way to resolve the situation.

[Lottery Larry]

Good answer. The fact that it was the host, who should know how to deal with new players, makes your solution the best one.

[smoore]

No, that's softplaying again man. Can I, as an experienced player expect the same consideration? It's a string raise and you should have stuck with your first post on this subject. If you're going to train people then train them, if you're going to play poker then play poker.