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10-13-2005, 05:06 PM

This hand is from a while ago, MP1 is 24/1.5 over 75 hands and Button is 36/5 after 36. Check raise on the flop, any good? What to do after the min-raise?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

CO ($56.70)
Button ($42.55)
SB ($64.72)
Hero ($54.55)
UTG ($34.95)
UTG+1 ($46)
UTG+2 ($39.15)
MP1 ($102.54)
MP2 ($49.50)
MP3 ($59.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Button raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4.25) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Button bets $2, Hero raises to $8, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to $16

10-13-2005, 05:48 PM

I see the villan with KQ, or AJ here. I call and push the turn.Anyone with me? I see the guy folding to a push here.

Robfish

10-13-2005, 06:49 PM

Do you think he will call the push on the turn unless he improves in which case he will be winning?

I think i would push there

djoyce003

10-13-2005, 06:53 PM

I'd push...expect to see the draw or TP or a worse two pair more often than you see a set of 2's.

element00

10-13-2005, 07:47 PM

push on flop

xorbie

10-13-2005, 08:01 PM

Bet the flop.

Malachii

10-13-2005, 08:15 PM

Pot the flop. The minraise is tough. Against some players this is a fold, against others it's a push.

10-13-2005, 09:18 PM

I think if we push on the flop the villian will call with a slighty wider range of hands thinking perhaps hero is on a flush draw as opposed to calling and pushing the turn.

PoBoy321

10-13-2005, 09:29 PM

Easy push. He'll pay you off with a worse hand much more often than he'll show you a set.

goofball

10-13-2005, 11:05 PM

There are a lot of turn cards that can scare you(or villian) and kill your action and prevent you from executing a turn push. Push the flop for this reason.

Isura

10-14-2005, 01:32 AM

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Pot the flop. The minraise is tough. Against some players this is a fold, against others it's a push.

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I don't see myself folding against ANY opponent on this flop.

10-14-2005, 03:33 AM

As most posters agreed with I pushed the flop. He called and showed AKo for TPTK. MHIG.

Godfather80

10-14-2005, 03:53 AM

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This hand is from a while ago, MP1 is 24/1.5 over 75 hands and Button is 36/5 after 36. Check raise on the flop, any good? What to do after the min-raise?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

CO ($56.70)
Button ($42.55)
SB ($64.72)
Hero ($54.55)
UTG ($34.95)
UTG+1 ($46)
UTG+2 ($39.15)
MP1 ($102.54)
MP2 ($49.50)
MP3 ($59.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Button raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4.25) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Button bets $2, Hero raises to $8, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to $16

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Does anybody else fold this preflop because they have no desire to play this sort of hand OOP?

Robfish

10-14-2005, 04:28 AM

For 50c more? No chance, take the flop, hope to hit 2 pair and come up against AK who didnt bet enough pre flop and then get all the money in!!

srm80

10-14-2005, 05:04 AM

i wouldn't fold this for 50 cents, i wouldn't fold this for 3XBB either. I would lead into the raiser having flopped two pair, and hopefully get stacked by a guy who can't let go of top pair.

afreeman

10-14-2005, 05:16 AM

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Bet the flop.

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You're first to act in a large field with a pre-flop raiser. The texture of the flop is such that it undoubtably connected with someone. There is a flush draw and two high cards on the board and you'll be OOP for the rest of the hand, so you'd be fine with winning this now, rather than later.

Overall, seems like the perfect spot for a check-raise.

Did I miss something?

Toyboy

10-14-2005, 06:53 AM

wp on all streets! (and AK is a very likely hand for villain to hold here)

Godfather80

10-14-2005, 11:16 AM

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Bet the flop.

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You're first to act in a large field with a pre-flop raiser. The texture of the flop is such that it undoubtably connected with someone. There is a flush draw and two high cards on the board and you'll be OOP for the rest of the hand, so you'd be fine with winning this now, rather than later.

Overall, seems like the perfect spot for a check-raise.

Did I miss something?

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Don't build a large pot OOP. Just bet out. The checkraise bloats the size of the pot and you are gonna have a tougher time handling because of your position.

10-14-2005, 02:57 PM

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Bet the flop.

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You're first to act in a large field with a pre-flop raiser. The texture of the flop is such that it undoubtably connected with someone. There is a flush draw and two high cards on the board and you'll be OOP for the rest of the hand, so you'd be fine with winning this now, rather than later.

Overall, seems like the perfect spot for a check-raise.

Did I miss something?

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Don't build a large pot OOP. Just bet out. The checkraise bloats the size of the pot and you are gonna have a tougher time handling because of your position.

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I agree, if you have tptk, but I figured I was ahead at this point and wanted to end it before the turn. A check-raise will get rid of most drawing hands, and gives the opponent the chance to make a mistake by calling with a weaker hand.

4_2_it

10-14-2005, 03:07 PM

If you won't push this flop then why did you bother to call in the first place? Better move is to bet out pot to isolate TPTK. You do not want drawing hands sticking around on the cheap.

xorbie

10-17-2005, 01:16 PM

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Bet the flop.

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You're first to act in a large field with a pre-flop raiser. The texture of the flop is such that it undoubtably connected with someone. There is a flush draw and two high cards on the board and you'll be OOP for the rest of the hand, so you'd be fine with winning this now, rather than later.

Overall, seems like the perfect spot for a check-raise.

Did I miss something?

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Yes. You missed the fact that there are a lot of people, and none have shown any strength. I would not be surprised if you had the only K out there and nobody bets. Then the turn comes Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif and wtf then?

If there was a real raise PF, then I would definitely bet. But in these types of games, with a minraise, I bet you see a ton of crap like TJo and Q6s.