$6.50's - How the hell did I not get 1st (12.5:1 lead HU)?

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

Was this due to bad cards or did I do something wrong? Looks like both!

Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (12470 in chips)
Seat 9: willypaloo22 (1030 in chips)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts the ante 50
willypaloo22: posts the ante 50
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts small blind 400
willypaloo22: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [5s Qd]
Dr_Jeckyl_00: raises 800 to 1600
willypaloo22: calls 180 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Ad 9s Tc]
*** TURN *** [Ad 9s Tc] [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 9s Tc Ah] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
willypaloo22: shows [Kc 9h] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: shows [5s Qd] (a pair of Aces)


Seat #9 is the button
Seat 5: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (11440 in chips)
Seat 9: willypaloo22 (2060 in chips)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts small blind 600
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [3c Ah]
willypaloo22: raises 785 to 1985 and is all-in
Dr_Jeckyl_00: calls 785
*** FLOP *** [Kc 8c 6s]
*** TURN *** [Kc 8c 6s] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 8c 6s Ts] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dr_Jeckyl_00: shows [3c Ah] (high card Ace)
willypaloo22: shows [8s 9c] (a straight, Six to Ten)

Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (9380 in chips)
Seat 9: willypaloo22 (4120 in chips)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts the ante 75
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts small blind 600
willypaloo22: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [8s 7d]
Dr_Jeckyl_00: calls 600... this looks wrong... but blinds are HUGE???
willypaloo22: checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 4h 2c]
willypaloo22: bets 2845 and is all-in
Dr_Jeckyl_00: folds

Seat #9 is the button
Seat 5: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (8105 in chips)
Seat 9: willypaloo22 (5395 in chips)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts small blind 600
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [6s Ks]
willypaloo22: calls 600
Dr_Jeckyl_00: raises 6830 to 8030 and is all-in
willypaloo22: folds

Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (9380 in chips)
Seat 9: willypaloo22 (4120 in chips)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts the ante 75
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts small blind 600
willypaloo22: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [Ac 9s]
Dr_Jeckyl_00: raises 1200 to 2400
willypaloo22: folds

Seat #9 is the button
Seat 5: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (10655 in chips)
Seat 9: willypaloo22 (2845 in chips)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts small blind 600
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [6c 4s]
willypaloo22: calls 600
Dr_Jeckyl_00: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc 2s 8s]
Dr_Jeckyl_00: checks
willypaloo22: bets 1570 and is all-in
Dr_Jeckyl_00 has timed out
Dr_Jeckyl_00: folds

Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (9380 in chips)
Seat 9: willypaloo22 (4120 in chips)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts the ante 75
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts small blind 600
willypaloo22: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [6h 8d]
Dr_Jeckyl_00: calls 600... wrong again???
willypaloo22: raises 1200 to 2400
Dr_Jeckyl_00: folds

Seat #9 is the button
Seat 5: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (8105 in chips)
Seat 9: willypaloo22 (5395 in chips)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts small blind 600
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [4s 2h]
willypaloo22: raises 4120 to 5320 and is all-in
Dr_Jeckyl_00: folds

Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (6830 in chips)
Seat 9: willypaloo22 (6670 in chips)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts the ante 75
willypaloo22: posts the ante 75
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts small blind 600
willypaloo22: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [As 7h]
Dr_Jeckyl_00: raises 1200 to 2400
willypaloo22: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [Ks Qc 4s]
willypaloo22: checks
Dr_Jeckyl_00: checks
*** TURN *** [Ks Qc 4s] [2d]
willypaloo22: checks
Dr_Jeckyl_00: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ks Qc 4s 2d] [7c]
willypaloo22: bets 4195 and is all-in
Dr_Jeckyl_00: calls 4195... I was so close to folding and I suspected something was up... he never checked 2 hands in a row... Why can't I listen to the good voices in my head and FOLD!?! Plus the river push looks like a steal... is it or is he a 2+2er?
*** SHOW DOWN ***
willypaloo22: shows [4h 4c] (three of a kind, Fours)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: shows [As 7h] (a pair of Sevens)
willypaloo22 collected 13340 from pot
Dr_Jeckyl_00 said, "gg"

1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 5: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (160 in chips)
Seat 9: willypaloo22 (13340 in chips)
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts the ante 100
willypaloo22: posts the ante 100
willypaloo22: posts small blind 1000
Dr_Jeckyl_00: posts big blind 60 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [9h 9c]
*** FLOP *** [7d Qs Ah]
*** TURN *** [7d Qs Ah] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [7d Qs Ah 8s] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dr_Jeckyl_00: shows [9h 9c] (a pair of Nines)
willypaloo22: shows [Kc 2c] (a pair of Kings)

I think all of your observations are dead on. The two checks when he hit his trips should definitely have set off warning bells. I go crazy push or fold at these blinds levels. I'm not used to these stack sizes (play on Party), but it's probably profitable to push every single hand you get from the SB.

That being said, stuff like this happens. Don't let the disbelief that your opponent has come even to you affect your play. Don't let the chip ratio force you into decisions because you feel destined to win.

Ignore the chips counts and think in terms of big blinds. 1.2BB vs. 15.5 BB seems much closer than the 1030 vs 12470 displayed on the screen.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

I am new to Stars... just opened an acct on Sat when I could not log onto Party. I need to adjust to the huge blinds... good advice about comparing our stacks to size of blinds. Thanks

[Nicholasp27]

with those blind levels, i push any2 in the sb...just straight calling 600 with those cards is just giving away chips

push the 2 hands u called with and u woulda had 1200x4=4800 more chips...

[pokerdirty]

this happens to everyone sometimes. you had a lot of favorites earlier, you just got unlucky. be glad your bad luck came HU instead of on the bubble.

I hate completing from the sb with huge blinds. I raise or fold. I don't like your min. raises either. Don't let him see any flops cheap (although it isn't that cheap). Just shove it in preflop and let him make the tough decision (I'm talking about your A9o and A7o)

[the shadow]

I'm posting before reading the other replies.

3d hand. The call does look bad, but maybe not for the reason you think. Short stack is 3.4 BB (really less w/ antes). Push 87o. Even if you didn't push, why fold the flop? You have 2 overcards, as well as an inside straight draw for what it's worth.

5th hand. Short stack is 3.4 BB. Push A9o. Maybe you viewed it as a trapping hand and raised to induce a bluff, but at these blinds, I'd simply push. What would you have done if villian had just called?

6th hand. Short stack is 2.4 BB. 64o is 38% against a random hand. Push it.

7th hand. Short stack is 3.4 BB. 86o is 43% against a random hand. Push it.

9th hand. Short stack is 5.5 BB. Push A7o.

The blinds are too big to "play poker." Read threads by dana33, dethgrind, and eastbay on optimal push-call stratgies. Read dali's recent heads up for the title experiment thread.

The Shadow

[Nicholasp27]

icm states that if blinds are 200/400 and either person has 3k or less chips (ie 7.5bbs), then push ANY2 from sb...

in these cases that you called/minraised/folded from the sb, your opp had <7.5bbs, thus you should push any2

[nyc999]

I don't like the completions in the SB. Since you are raising so many other hands, you are screaming weakness. Either you need to occasionally complete with some strong hands, or raise/fold everything.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm posting before reading the other replies.

3d hand. The call does look bad, but maybe not for the reason you think. Short stack is 3.4 BB (really less w/ antes). Push 87o. Even if you didn't push, why fold the flop? You have 2 overcards, as well as an inside straight draw for what it's worth.

5th hand. Short stack is 3.4 BB. Push A9o. Maybe you viewed it as a trapping hand and raised to induce a bluff, but at these blinds, I'd simply push. What would you have done if villian had just called?

6th hand. Short stack is 2.4 BB. 64o is 38% against a random hand. Push it.

7th hand. Short stack is 3.4 BB. 86o is 43% against a random hand. Push it.

9th hand. Short stack is 5.5 BB. Push A7o.

The blinds are too big to "play poker." Read threads by dana33, dethgrind, and eastbay on optimal push-call stratgies. Read dali's recent heads up for the title experiment thread.

The Shadow

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I used to push or fold, basically from the bubble on. Then I read posts from some of the respected posters and they are not always pushing every hand. My post flop play sucks, I'll admit that, so I have been trying to work on it... and I can't if I am always pushing. But winning is more important so I guess I will switch back.... Maybe it is more about blind size and it is ok to not push when blinds are smaller, but once huge it is either push or fold... At what point would you consider blinds to be huge (when compared to my stack of course) I guess it is the 10xbb rule... never mind, answered my own question.

Your A9 post flop question... I would have been in trouble w/ A9 hand if I missed flop.... which is why I should have pushed... no decision to make. I think you are right about the 87 hand... I had a lot of outs.

I understand and agree w/ pushing the 64 hand, given villain's stack. However, I disagree with the 86o hand... I don't believe the odds were there given villains stack size... fold probably better there. However, had I pushed the 46o hand and villain folded, then the 86o hand would be correct to push, IMO.

I will look for those posters... posts. Thanks

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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icm states that if blinds are 200/400 and either person has 3k or less chips (ie 7.5bbs), then push ANY2 from sb...

in these cases that you called/minraised/folded from the sb, your opp had <7.5bbs, thus you should push any2

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I was not aware of the 7.5xbb rule. To clarify if EITHER of us has less than 7.5BB, then I push any 2?

why does it matter if I am in the sb? what if I am in BB and villain completes? Would it be wrong for me to push any 2 from BB? Afterall, there are only 2 people regardless if I am in SB or BB.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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I don't like the completions in the SB. Since you are raising so many other hands, you are screaming weakness. Either you need to occasionally complete with some strong hands, or raise/fold everything.

[/ QUOTE ]

That is a good point about screaming weakness. I never complete with a strong hand... I don't want villain to flop a good hand b/c I did not raise him out... that has happened before... so I min raise with my strong hands. They often go uncalled /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[splashpot]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
icm states that if blinds are 200/400 and either person has 3k or less chips (ie 7.5bbs), then push ANY2 from sb...

in these cases that you called/minraised/folded from the sb, your opp had <7.5bbs, thus you should push any2

[/ QUOTE ]

I was not aware of the 7.5xbb rule. To clarify if EITHER of us has less than 7.5BB, then I push any 2?

why does it matter if I am in the sb? what if I am in BB and villain completes? Would it be wrong for me to push any 2 from BB? Afterall, there are only 2 people regardless if I am in SB or BB.

[/ QUOTE ]
The only reason it matters that you're in the SB is that you get to push first. Since the blinds are enormous, if he's not calling/pushing his fair share, you have a monstrous advantage. I would push any 2 from the SB every hand when the blinds are this high. And I'd probably call a push with Ax, most Ks, Q9+, etc.