View Full Version : I made a post on mid/high
DavidC
10-13-2005, 08:17 AM
I asked the guys in mid/high how they got where they are now. A surprising amount of them won tourneys before stabalizing their roll.
It also seems to be common that they started playing at limits way beyond the micros. Sklansky and Malmuth also started this way.
Here's the link:
post (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=mediumholdem&Number=366097 4&Forum=,All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25& Main=3660099&Search=true&where=&Name=15618&dateran ge=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&body prev=#Post3660974)
One of the guys there decided to get a little sarcastic with me:
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David,
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For every paragraph that you give me on what you consider intelligent flop & turn play, I'll give you an honest, in-depth paragraph of my strugle to succeed at the game.
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Best regards,
Ken
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Given my reputation around here, I had a chuckle at that.
Poor guy... if he realized that it'd be pretty articulate and certainly intelligent, but not necessary advocating intelligent play, he wouldn't have asked. /images/graemlins/cool.gif
Yea I made a reply about this. Seems like every player is either a luckbox or already have a LOT of money to blow.
bjarne
10-13-2005, 08:43 AM
Nice post. I got pretty surprised reading some of the replies.
DavidC
10-13-2005, 08:54 AM
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Yea I made a reply about this. Seems like every player is either a luckbox or already have a LOT of money to blow.
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Well... it's helpful when you're starting to play poker to have tons of money, but not always necessary. Just remember that most of these guys are awesome at poker, and you probably have a long ways to go before you get to their level (I know I do).
deception5
10-13-2005, 09:14 AM
An interesting story which goes along with this theme:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=2318608&PHPS ESSID=&fpart=1#Post2318608
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Nice post. I got pretty surprised reading some of the replies.
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I was also quite surprised by some of the replies. Some of them clearly are not even winning players, and they all seemed to have started at much higher stakes than we're at, acquiring their bankroll through getting lucky in the beginning.
This imo a much more likely winner. He has obviously worked himself up from 0.5/1(although very fast).
DavidC
10-13-2005, 10:28 AM
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An interesting story which goes along with this theme:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=2318608&PHPS ESSID=&fpart=1#Post2318608
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Thanks, man.
DavidC
10-13-2005, 10:33 AM
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This imo a much more likely winner. He has obviously worked himself up from 0.5/1(although very fast).
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Hi there.
I'd just like to point out that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Feel free to take a more humble (edit: silent will suffice, in this matter) attitude in the future.
--Dave.
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Arg, I'm a bit tired, so I'll flesh this out a bit more.
You're making judgements of players that are in a tougher game than you without complete information. If you think these guys suck, try opening their profile and reading some of their responses to posted hands. You'll find out that they don't suck.
Also, a person isn't more likely to succeed just because they started with small bet sizes.
Also, you made a response to one of my posts that showed a lack of poker theory knowledge, which I responded to by gently pushing you in the right direction.
Just to sum this all up, be more careful about how you talk about the more experienced / better poker players here. After all, presumably you'd like to get some good advice with your game?
--Dave.
deception5
10-13-2005, 10:37 AM
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Thanks, man.
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np - it's one of my favorites /images/graemlins/smile.gif
DavidC
10-13-2005, 10:44 AM
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This imo a much more likely winner. He has obviously worked himself up from 0.5/1(although very fast).
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The reason that I'm "touchy" about how you phrased this response, is that I'm kinda sticking my neck out by asking for these guys to share their info. If some punk newb jumps into the thread and starts running his mouth, it will leave a bad taste with them when it comes to interaction between the two forums.
lautzutao
10-13-2005, 10:44 AM
To David and Deception, thanks for the post links, they are both incredible reads.
Droppin that KNOWLEDGE on us little micro players. NH
lautzutao
10-13-2005, 10:54 AM
Hmm, very interesting accounts. It seems that for most, they take shots. Very very interesting...*strokes chin*
Entity
10-13-2005, 10:56 AM
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Yea I made a reply about this. Seems like every player is either a luckbox or already have a LOT of money to blow.
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That's because it's easier for us to recount the 10k months at high limits that happened recently than it is for us to remember long, painful stretches at low limits or in casino play.
There are very few high limit players at 2+2 who fit either one of your descriptors there.
Rob
I would never have posted that as a reply in that thread. It was more of a reflection in this forum on the posts before I read bysiclekicks post. Also I know that they are more knowledgeable than me but that doesnt mean that they all belong in midhigh. And frankly I have more faith in a player who worked himself up than a player who won his roll through a MTT.
Ps. Now that the thread has been up for a while I see that those type of players are in the minority and that around 70% started from the micros.
deception5
10-13-2005, 01:50 PM
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And frankly I have more faith in a player who worked himself up than a player who won his roll through a MTT.
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If they are able to maintain or increase that roll over a long period at high limits then I have respect for either regardless of how they started.
aces_dad
10-13-2005, 02:37 PM
I really don't see which of the replies would be called 'luckboxes' and I don't think it was a good idea for anyone to imply that if you're hoping to get honest answers.
And David, I'm waiting for your Manifesto on flop/turn play. I hope you're about 10 paragraphs in already ... /images/graemlins/wink.gif
DavidC
10-14-2005, 10:42 PM
Update:
I made the same type of post on mid/hi NLHE (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3677370&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1)
However, it hasn't enjoyed the same success. /images/graemlins/frown.gif
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