private joker
10-13-2005, 05:48 AM
Especially at Commerce.
Live, $900/$1800. Standard table, as wild as usual. An aggro UTG open-raises. This means he has two cards that aren't total garbage. sLAG in EP calls. Fold to me in the CO with K/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif and I call. Horrible fish on the button calls, unknown in the SB calls, horrible fish in the BB calls.
6 to the flop for 6 BBs.
Flop comes: T/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
SB bets out into the field. BB calls, original PFR calls, EP calls, I raise. Button cold-calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, PFR now call-caps, EP cold-calls 3 more, I call, Button calls.
6 to the turn for 18 BBs.
Turn is 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Everyone checks to me. I think about this thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=smallholdem&Number=3622215 &Forum=,f3,&Words=A9s&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Main=3 622215&Search=true&where=sub&Name=&daterange=1&new erval=1&newertype=w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev= #Post3622215) and how everyone thought I was crazy to consider betting the turn. I think they were right, and I was right to check it. But now, I have 5 outs to the stone-cold nuts, and 8 more outs to the probable best hand. With that many great cards for me on the river, and 6 players still in the hand, I really think this is a value bet. So I bet. Button folds, everyone else calls. (This ends the content portion of the post)
5 to the river for 23 BBs. River brings the holiest of holies: A/images/graemlins/club.gif
Everyone checks to me, and I of course bet the nuts. Now something unbelievable happens. All 4 of my opponents fold.
The dealer pushes a 24 BB, $432 pot to me, and I slide my cards face down.
Has anyone EVER in a live cardroom seen anything like this? I mean -- what? There were 4 hands out there that were over 96% sure they were beaten? I mean, yeah it's gotta suck seeing that club on the river, and worse if it's an overcard to your pair -- but wha? Getting 24:1? At a place like Commerce, and virtually every cardroom in America, there's always a showdown in a medium-size pot and larger. In a pot of 10 BBs, some guy always says "Well I know you got me but the pot's big, so I'll keep ya honest." Sometimes they call with K-high.
Who lays down a hand in a 24 BB pot getting 24:1 after all the action up to that point? What hands are raising PF, what hands are check/3-betting and call-capping this flop?
I tried for the rest of the session to come up with 4 hands that weren't worth a call, and I couldn't do it.
I figured SB had 88, for the flopped OESD and mid-PP. This is a good hand to lead and 3-bet with. But since obviously nobody else had clubs (or I would have been called on the river), then what were the other hands? Does the original PFR have total crap and I had the wrong read on him? Maybe he had some Broadway overs with one club? KQ/QJ? Maybe there were 3 QJs out there. It's conceivable, but highly unlikely. And I can't fathom anyone laying down an A on the end there with top pair.
Anyway -- just weird. And I guess I was a bit mad that what I thought were implied odds were in fact not. I hit my draw and didn't get paid a penny more. Was K-high the best hand the entire time?
Live, $900/$1800. Standard table, as wild as usual. An aggro UTG open-raises. This means he has two cards that aren't total garbage. sLAG in EP calls. Fold to me in the CO with K/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif and I call. Horrible fish on the button calls, unknown in the SB calls, horrible fish in the BB calls.
6 to the flop for 6 BBs.
Flop comes: T/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
SB bets out into the field. BB calls, original PFR calls, EP calls, I raise. Button cold-calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, PFR now call-caps, EP cold-calls 3 more, I call, Button calls.
6 to the turn for 18 BBs.
Turn is 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Everyone checks to me. I think about this thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=smallholdem&Number=3622215 &Forum=,f3,&Words=A9s&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Main=3 622215&Search=true&where=sub&Name=&daterange=1&new erval=1&newertype=w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev= #Post3622215) and how everyone thought I was crazy to consider betting the turn. I think they were right, and I was right to check it. But now, I have 5 outs to the stone-cold nuts, and 8 more outs to the probable best hand. With that many great cards for me on the river, and 6 players still in the hand, I really think this is a value bet. So I bet. Button folds, everyone else calls. (This ends the content portion of the post)
5 to the river for 23 BBs. River brings the holiest of holies: A/images/graemlins/club.gif
Everyone checks to me, and I of course bet the nuts. Now something unbelievable happens. All 4 of my opponents fold.
The dealer pushes a 24 BB, $432 pot to me, and I slide my cards face down.
Has anyone EVER in a live cardroom seen anything like this? I mean -- what? There were 4 hands out there that were over 96% sure they were beaten? I mean, yeah it's gotta suck seeing that club on the river, and worse if it's an overcard to your pair -- but wha? Getting 24:1? At a place like Commerce, and virtually every cardroom in America, there's always a showdown in a medium-size pot and larger. In a pot of 10 BBs, some guy always says "Well I know you got me but the pot's big, so I'll keep ya honest." Sometimes they call with K-high.
Who lays down a hand in a 24 BB pot getting 24:1 after all the action up to that point? What hands are raising PF, what hands are check/3-betting and call-capping this flop?
I tried for the rest of the session to come up with 4 hands that weren't worth a call, and I couldn't do it.
I figured SB had 88, for the flopped OESD and mid-PP. This is a good hand to lead and 3-bet with. But since obviously nobody else had clubs (or I would have been called on the river), then what were the other hands? Does the original PFR have total crap and I had the wrong read on him? Maybe he had some Broadway overs with one club? KQ/QJ? Maybe there were 3 QJs out there. It's conceivable, but highly unlikely. And I can't fathom anyone laying down an A on the end there with top pair.
Anyway -- just weird. And I guess I was a bit mad that what I thought were implied odds were in fact not. I hit my draw and didn't get paid a penny more. Was K-high the best hand the entire time?