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Dan Burns

10-13-2005, 01:03 AM

Hey guys. I mostly play tourneys and SNGs, so I'm not sure what to do with this one. Feedback on any and all streets appreciated, but mostly interested in the river decision. This is kind of like a deep-stack tourney decision, no?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero ($295.35)
MP2 ($48.95)
CO ($332.15)
Button ($267.55)
SB ($170.80)
BB ($361.65)
UTG ($14.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, CO calls $8, 3 folds, UTG calls $6.

Flop: ($27) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12, CO calls $12, UTG folds.

Turn: ($51) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero raises to $40, CO calls $24.

River: ($131) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $30, CO raises to $272.15, Hero?

Voltron87

10-13-2005, 01:06 AM

rivers a fold, not too close.

bet 20 on the flop

just call the turn, or bet. i dont like checkraising here, it creates a hard to play river.

Dan Burns

10-13-2005, 01:10 AM

By the way, villain was at the table before I got there, and I was there for 45 min. or so before this hand developed. During that time he didn't do anything maniacal. My image is relatively solid, but I played a lot of hands.

Hoopster81

10-13-2005, 01:16 AM

looks like TT/JJ

Godfather80

10-13-2005, 02:19 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Hey guys. I mostly play tourneys and SNGs, so I'm not sure what to do with this one. Feedback on any and all streets appreciated, but mostly interested in the river decision. This is kind of like a deep-stack tourney decision, no?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero ($295.35)
MP2 ($48.95)
CO ($332.15)
Button ($267.55)
SB ($170.80)
BB ($361.65)
UTG ($14.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, CO calls $8, 3 folds, UTG calls $6.

Flop: ($27) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12, CO calls $12, UTG folds.

Turn: ($51) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero raises to $40, CO calls $24.

River: ($131) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $30, CO raises to $272.15, Hero?

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Fold. His turn bet is interesting, but still fold.

10-13-2005, 02:43 AM

Is AJ, J10 out of the question?

orange

10-13-2005, 02:54 AM

I don't like the turn c/r. Bloats the pot OOP, and as stated before, makes the river harder to play.

I usually bet/call the turn, then check/call the river (moderate bet).

amoeba

10-13-2005, 03:48 AM

raise more preflop.

check call the turn.

block the river.

nebben

10-13-2005, 04:43 AM

Does anyone else think the size of the river bet is horrible? Don't you have to bet 1/3-1/2 pot in this position?.

How is this line
Pot flop
Half pot turn

I think half potting the turn would allow you to fold to a raise no?

10-13-2005, 01:22 PM

I would bet more on flop, probebly lead again on turn, river is a fold

Dan Burns

10-14-2005, 12:59 AM

I folded the river. I guess JT is a possiblity here(AJ is not, IMO), but I think JJ and TT, or a connector type hand with a 6 is much more likely, more likely than the pot odds I'm getting. And if I had it to do over again, I would check-call a reasonable bet on the river. If I didn't do that, I would certainly make a larger bet ($60?) and fold to a push. I think JJ is his most likely hand.

Thanks for the replies. Any further thoughts?

Isura

10-14-2005, 01:12 AM

Bet more on flop.

I hate the turn check. What do you do if he pots the turn when you check? I'd bet 30 on the turn.

River "value" bet sucks given he called your turn raise. I'd check the river and call a moderate bet.