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suited_ace
10-12-2005, 11:40 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t860)
Hero (t925)
UTG (t790)
UTG+1 (t257)
MP1 (t1560)
MP2 (t978)
MP3 (t405)
CO (t790)
Button (t1435)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t50, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls t50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t225</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t790 (All-In)</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, Hero ?

This was a $22, no specific reads. I've been playing around with how much I raise PF in these situations (too many limpers in lvl3), this was a lot more than my standard raise in this spot.

Karak567
10-12-2005, 11:47 PM
IF you are going to make a standard raise preflop, t300 is the right thing, in that case, I just shove here with all those limpers in lieu of a raise.

That said, you need to call this all in and expect to see AQ, AK or a low pocket pair.

proell
10-12-2005, 11:53 PM
with ~t450 in the pot it is impossible to fold. You're probably a dog to a pair, but you have odds to call this.
Occassionally you will see AA/KK here, but I don't think it is often enough to make this a fold.

10-12-2005, 11:54 PM
Make the call.

Gramps
10-12-2005, 11:58 PM
Push PF. If everyone folds, you increase your stack about 20%, and of the times you're called (even factoring in the occassional trap with AA/KK), you're still a good favorite with an overlay. Raising less and getting called with your stack size just makes things difficult postflop.

10-13-2005, 12:05 AM
Is there an arguement for a check here? A raise will likely get it HU but could also lead to a multiway pot.

Either way, were whiffing 2/3s and playing OOP. Is this enough to justify playing passively?

After the reraise I think hero should call for reasons stated above.

10-13-2005, 12:18 AM
I think fold. I think the call was just waiting for the raise. It's prime time to be making a move I put him on at least QQ. Maybe I'm just over estimating the players at party 22. I still think it's best to be the one pushing instead of calling a push.

Bigwig
10-13-2005, 12:20 AM
I either raise a little less, or shove em all-in preflop. Regardless, you have to call this all-in.

EDIT--Wait, you're in the BB. You have two options, IMO. All-in, or check. Raising a proper amount here without pushing puts you in a horrible spot postflop. Out of position with a pot size ~ the size of your stack with AK.

Karak567
10-13-2005, 12:21 AM
Folding to this push is so bad it makes me want to puke.

You HAVE to call.

But I would have just pushed preflop right away.

lacky
10-13-2005, 12:25 AM
you realize there is about 1160 in the pot, and it is costing you about 550 to call? If you fold AK, or any other premium hand here you will never do well at sng's. HUGE leak.

Steve

10-13-2005, 12:37 AM
I think at the 22s there's a huge tendancy for the average player to NOT respect these type of raises from the big blind.

Rembmer that most of these players are still doing lower level thinking like, "I'm gonna play this hand" and then not adjust that thought when a raise comes at them. Also, they seem to justify playing weaker hands against BB raises because they can make an argument to themselves that your raise is only attempt to steal the bets from the callers.

This was my thinking when I was a bad player, and I see the same tendencies among the players I face at the 22s.

Having said all that:

I push here expecting enough folds and calls with weaker hands and coinflips to make up for the rare time I run into someone playing AA/KK all fancy.

davehwm
10-13-2005, 12:41 AM
I also push pre-flop here. I'm not committing almost 25% of my stack when I could pick up a decent sized pot with a push. AK gets tricky, even from late position with a bunch of limpers.

Gotta call that push, though.

Hendricks433
10-13-2005, 01:11 AM
Well since you raised and got pushed you have to call. But I think you need to check or push pf. Is it a loose or tight table? I dont like to get called if I push pf.